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Damn that FDA and their suppression of…*checks list…sunshine?
Was the solar eclipse an inside job?!?
I think it’s like the FDA having just reasonable guidelines on how much UV you can safely be exposed to. RFKJR prolly thinks sun lotion prevents all the healthiness from the sun and crystallises your amygdala or something along those lines.
It’s Vitamin D. There was this whole thing during the COVID pandemic about how the FDA/CDC were SUSPICIOUSLY QUIET about how impactful Vitamin D levels were on COVID outcomes or something and how that’s how you know that… something something sinister ulterior motives.
So like the idea was that everybody going outside and getting some sun was actually the best thing for public health, but THEY were telling you to languish inside under lockdowns, because clearly they didn’t want you to be healthy.
Yeah, I know it’s Vitamin D you get from the sun, but for instance exposing yourself to sun that requires sun lotion, you’re still getting all the vitamin D you can use.
Idk this might be a bullshit stat, but here in Finland you here all sorts of things about vitamin D and sunshine, so iirc, I think like 15 minutes in the sun already gives you your daily dose of vitamin D.
So it’s not exactly a good reason to lift the lockdown when people can just go out to walk their dog and have all the benefits that one can get from the sun. It’s not like sun worshipping yourself until you look like a two-day old hotdog is anything healthy. The sort of tanning RFK JR seems to have practiced. I had a friend (woman) who just loved suntanning. Like crazy much. And smokes. She wasn’t too bad looking when I worked with her, but god she’s gonna look like wrinkled leather in 10 years.
Just to chime in, vitamin D deficiency is extremely common:
Recent large observational data have suggested that ~40% of Europeans are vitamin D deficient, and 13% are severely deficient [2]
Vitamin D deficiency has also been linked to dementia and other bice diseases. I bet 15 minutes sunlight won’t cut it and sunbathing gives you skin cancer in the long run, so get some supplements people!
Yeah, it is. And even moreso here in the Nordics.
I take a vitamin D supplement every day. Especially in the winter.
I quickly googled and a Finnish article says that during summertime, wearing just shorts, you can get your daily amount half an hour. But that’s midsummer sun and midday.
But in countries where it’s more intense…
Anyway, supplementation is definitely necessary for most people, especially during winter.
Swedish here, but I live in France.
Modern day people are often stuck inside (of the car, house, office) during daylight times.
Also, when you get a sunburn in 20 minutes you avoid the sun when you are outside…
So yeah, supplements FTW!
It’s funny because I remember specific provisions for allowing people to go outside for exercise lmao
It’s quite likely a belief that sunscreen lotion is a bad thing that harms people. Found that one out from an old high school crush from FL. She looks like leather now.
There was a finding a few years ago that while preventing skin cancer, sunscreen was also causing people in some places to get less vitamin d which was increasing instances of colon cancer. The solution isn’t banning sunscreen, it’s making sure people get some small amount of sun or supplements vitamin d.
Being from Oz I never really considered issues with vitamin d until I moved to the UK for a few years and discovered that limited vitamin d is a real problem in winter. Im not sure on the deficiency you need for colon cancer but a few weeks of little to no Sun really messes with your head and body.
Being from Oz
Did the Wicked movie get the look right? It seems like a fun place apart from all the fascism.
The book did it better =)
To be fair, non-mineral sunscreens do fuck with your hormones a bit. Still better then skin cancer though.
“There are a lot of ingredients in cosmetics, hair care and sunscreen that can act as endocrine mimickers in a lab, meaning they kind of act like a hormone,” Waldman explains.
But He stresses that, when it comes to chemical sunscreen ingredients, the potential link largely comes from animal studies that likely don’t translate to humans. For instance, in many studies, researchers are feeding large amounts of these ingredients to mice, He explains, which is “not really comparable to a human situation.”EDIT: So no, no they don’t in humans.
It’s quite likely a belief that sunscreen lotion is a bad thing that harms people.
I mean, it halfway is:
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“Sunscreen” – stuff with a decently high SPF rating – is a good thing that prevents cancer.
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“Suntan lotion” – usually glorified coconut oil with fuck-all SPF rating – is a bad thing that harms people.
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“Sunscreen lotion” – a confused amalgamation of the previous terms – is not a thing and only misleads people by conflating good things with harmful ones.
This is not truth everywhere. Where I grew up suntan lotion is sunscreen.
‘Lotion’ implies that it’s moisturiser-based, not that it has any tanning properties.
“Sunscreen lotion” – a confused amalgamation of the previous terms – is not a thing and only misleads people
So confidently stated yet so very wrong. Citation - an example that’s available nationwide: https://no-ad.com/product/spf-85-sunscreen-lotion-3-oz/
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When was the last time your big FDA doctor told you to sun your butthole? Why would they hide that from you?
Because your dermatologist isn’t used to checking for skin cancer where the sun don’t shine.
Big FDA not training them on the butthole
Regrettably, ‘perineum sunning’ is actually a thing. https://www.sciencealert.com/perineum-sunning-isn-t-the-answer-to-boosting-your-energy-or-your-libido
They hate sunscreen because skin cancer good apparently
FDA agent mr snrub
i think he’s referring to the butthole sunners
HAARP
In all that crazy, there’s, shockingly, two good points:
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Psychedelics. There’s at least anecdotal evidence they’re good for treating certain traumas / PTSD. So, yeah, we should be looking into their medicinal applications. But is it the FDA or the DEA that’s cockblocking those?
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Stem cells. Abso-fucking-lutely yes. But wasn’t it the “pro life” people holding that up?
Don’t expect consistency from this administration.
Expect only what they can actually deliver. Chaos
Stem cells.
He’s not talking about the stem cells that can cure a select few diseases.
He’s talking about an alternative medicine thing which is basically sticking cells from your right arm into your left arm and calling it “stem cell therapy” then claiming it can cure hundreds of diseases.
There is zero evidence (or RCTs) showing his version of “stem cells” works.
The FDA bases approval on two highly successful phase 3 RCTs of a specific drug for a specific condition. You can read more about that process here
Neither psychedelics not RFK’s version of stem cell therapy has that yet.
Thanks for clarifying. I took the mention of stem cells in the wall of crazy tweet to be the more credible form of stem cell therapy. Considering I was fully aware of who was making the statement, the fault is mine.
I suspect my insurance company will soon cover shoving goat testicles into my scrotum. I’ll be so virile!
I mean psychedelics really shouldn’t be suppressed as much as they want, but with him gutting all actual medical science, they’re not gonna be helping much.
They have tons of potential and power, but binging mushrooms for three days and dancing in circles isn’t probably the only way we can utilise them. (I’m not saying it’s a bad one, just not necessarily suited for everyone.)
And actually if psychedelics gets lumped into his shit it might just be a step back for research on psychedelics when eventually this craziness of his blows up in his face. Hopefully before he implements any of it. Or even gets into office.
Clean foods is also a good thing
My concern is that his definition of clean food is incompatible with a sane definition of clean food.
We’re talking about a man who got mercury poisoning from eating unsafe fish, and ate meat that caused a worm to eat part of his brain. His standards for food safety are clearly not the same as mine.
If he were to assert that pasteurizing milk causes nearsightedness and lazy eye, I wouldn’t not be surprised.
Right, but we already have that so I left it off the list. Not that there aren’t things that slip through, but that’s mostly a matter of enforcement and ensuring compliance (both things I do not expect him to take seriously).
We don’t really. The EU refuses to import things like US chicken because of our food processes.
EU food standards are leagues past ours, but the core reason is regulating some of our worst factory farm processes. More regulation will absolutely not happen for 4 years, so no real progress will be made.
That “worst factory farm process” is cleaning chicken with cleaning agents generally regarded as safe.
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R40199.pdf
The EU food safety agencies have issued opinions that it’s fine, and the EU would resume importing US poultry if it weren’t for that. The same agents are allowed to be used on other imported and domestically produced foods.
The conditions in our typical poultry facility are perfectly in line with theirs, we just allow an additional rinse that they don’t.Our food supply is nowhere near as gross as people seem convinced.
The biggest threat to the cleanliness of our food supply is actually people like RFK who view the food safety apparatus as the enemy.I really don’t see the incoming administration blocking washing poultry with vinegar or a dilute bleach solution and compensating with increased staffing for food inspection agents. More likely they approve requests by the meat industry to be able to do their own inspection and reduce independent verification in the name of “efficiency”.
GRAS can be self-affirmed by companies. It’s a huge loophole.
Also, the conditions chickens are raised and slaughtered in the US as well as its dependence on undocumented workers that will not jeopardize their jobs by reporting safety issues or contamination hazards are also really large problems.
Our food supply has issues I would consider pretty gross and it’s going to get a whole lot worse over the next few years.
In the case of the food cleaning sprays, I didn’t use “generally regarded as safe” in the sense they use it for food additives, I meant it in the plain English sense. The list of acceptable sprays is codified by the FDA and both the US and EU food safety organizations acknowledge that the risk of public health because of them is negligibly low. That’s why the EU also uses the same sprays, just not for poultry specifically. Our standards are otherwise completely compatible .
I’m not saying there aren’t gross things in our food system, or things we allow that others don’t. I’m saying the poultry thing isn’t one of them, and the reputation our food system has as a disgusting free for all is unwarranted.
Given the giant list of companies that do absolutely nothing to limit the PFCs in our food, we really don’t.
For point one, there was a big study about it but it turned out the study co-ordinators were intimidating people into saying that it helped them when it didn’t. This is why psychedelics are still banned because the “scientists” that were trying to prove that they were safe fucked up in the dumbest possible way.
2: Yes, buttt there are some issues, but afaik do not throw the baby out with the bath water -> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/29/the-stem-cell-scandal
He also talked about obstructive health patents. I’ll take “Things that he won’t follow through on” for 500.
There are also very good reasons to think that the money in medicine distorts and corrupts the science. Fact is the proper trials are very expensive and the only institutions that can afford them are pharmaceutical corporations. So the only treatments that get trailed are the ones that make good business sense.
So RFK Jr’s Dept. of HHS is going to increase government grants for pharmaceutical research, right?
…right?
No idea. Can’t get a handle on the guy at all. He’s all over the place.
- Yes.
- Also, yes.
We can simply harvest stem cells from the lowest status minorities in the deportation camps
My guy, Peptides and SARMS are also super interesting,think of it as the middleground between sports suplements and steroids, chemicals to fuck with your hormones in specific ways. Im taking 4 seperate ones at the moment and my biggest worry is “Am I getting whats on the label” and the biggest reason I dont know is that the FDA wont approve them for human consumption, even though thousands of people do.
I know I might be placing myself at risk of side effects, but I’m already doing it! I’m going to continue doing it, at least let me know my BPC157 is legit.
Psychedelics have been studied using grants for years now, and al it of research has already been done and psychologists are using them in micro doses. RFK is a fucking clown, hopefully he visits the level 4 infectious diseases and licks the vials.
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Vaccines are the laziest, lowest effort medicine we have. There is no medical treatment that is more effective for so little actual work on the part of the patient. Which is exactly the kind of medicine we need to have the greatest impact on the population base.
Even better than that. You take the medicine and it reduces everyone else’s risk of getting sick, even the ones that refuse to take the medicine. It’s the closest thing we have IRL to literal magic.
As an immunocompromised person, thank you to everyone who gets vaccinated against communicable disease, you make my world a little less heinous to navigate.
I appreciate your gratitude and I really do hope it does some good for others… Especially because I really hate needles but I have it done anyway for this reason. Lol 😬
People like RFK don’t get it. Also, has anyone seen a fucking microchip in a syringe… ever?
I think it’s a large variation of a syringe needle that chips our pets, but aside from that monstrously large setup that isn’t even used on humans, no.
Closest thing I can think of is the capsule sized camera that can be swallowed to collect data as it travels through that long tube that connect mouth to anus. Even then, I’ve never seen that setup used on anyone.
Yeah, that’s what I mean. You can feel the microchip under the skin with the real ones. But we’re shown a clear liquid going in. Where are the 'chips?
You’re looking for logic in the wrong place friend.
Nanotechnology exists. Not in vaccines, but it’s still a thing.
They give modern tech too much credit. But I wonder what we could create if we wanted to.
You can’t see them without a microscope, duhhh.
That’s why they’re called MICRO-chips.
In the bio hacking world, yea. There are reprogrammable RFID implants that you can get. They are rather large though and kind of suck when trying to use. Check out dangerousthings.com
I love the idea of bio hacking. Too bad the things they do have such poor risk to utility ratio 😂
When do I get my cyborg legs? That’s what I wanna know
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How does Hep C cause spasmodic dysphonia? I can’t say I’ve ever seen that on the general medical Hep C bingo card.
Link?
“You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine.”
Unexpected Tim Minchin!
Wait so he is pro psychedelics?
Huh, it would be really weird if the US legalized acid.
If maga starts doing acid to own the libs maybe they would finally start questioning things.
I know I’m wrong, but one can hope can’t they?
Yeah this is actually really hopeful in a fucked up way. I really hope they legalize psychedelics. They are an extremely effective way to get people to stop voting republican. Worked for me. It woke something up in me that made me realize how selfish and self-serving that entire party is. I’m the only one in my family who no longer votes republican, and also the only one who has tried psychedelics. I think that says a lot.
Honestly, some of these pricks could really probably benefit from getting out of their head for a bit lol.
I could see a world where all politicians are required to do a guided LSD trip prior to taking office being better than this one.
Make Peyote Great Again
Careful… this is how you wind up with cabinet memeber Joe Rogan
When people talk about psychedelics converting everyone to the left, I think about Joe Rogan, and how he has had many many more psychedelic experiences than your average person. Also, assholes like John McAfee, exist. So, psychedelics don’t seem to automatically make everyone empathetic, like is so often preached.
That’s because their money cancelled out the shrooms.
The spice must flow
I would love for this to be true, and I believe there are many benefits to psychedelics…but then I remember the Manson family existed
Edit: I fully support psychedelics…just saying.
And on a friendlier, non-Manson note. Please share your favorite psych related music @ [email protected]The thing with psychedelics is that you only see what you bring with you
If there’s anything psychedelics do, it’s prompting you to question your existence.
It’s the brain worms trying to protect themselves legally from the side effects of having brain worms.
Stem cells? Does he know what party he’s hitched his wagon to?
Oh, he knows. They took him on an airplane and made him eat food he had just called “poison” for a photo shoot.
He couldn’t say no, because of the implication.
Obviously if he did say no, they wouldn’t make him eat it. But the thing is, he’s not gonna say no, because of the implication.
Consistency? Not even once.
I actually met this mother fucker in Mexico in 1999, giving a talk on habitat preservation at Lagoona San Ignacio to a bunch of C list celebrities who were there to support the Natural Resource Defense Council and it’s efforts to stop Mitsubishi from building a salt extraction plant in the middle of a gray whale breeding sanctuary (super good cause).
I was there with a bunch of high school students who’s rich white parents paid for them to go on an expensive ass field trip to watch whales fuck (and do eco protest activist tourism). Coincidentally, the NRDC was there too and they got really excited to invite a bunch of American highschool students to their media shindig.
RFK Jr. got SUPER drunk and gave a sloppy, rambling, barely coherent speech, thanking people for their generosity. The kids were like “WTF is up with this dude? We’ve never seen grownups act like this!”
We did get to hear some really cool marine biologists talk about gray whales. Then one of THEM (Roger Payne, I think) got really drunk too and told us “Whales are people damn it! But you can’t publish that! You can’t fucking publish that!”
This is like, one mention of “nuclear wessels” away from being a deleted scene from Star Trek IV.
Roger Payne is right.
The biggest mistake was that we didn’t nuke the whales.
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I’m glad that it seems like the war on drugs is showing cracks. I completely support a move to legalize psychedelics.
That’s why it’s included and it’s the first item. To make the rest seem reasonable.
The carrot got dangled in front of the US population for decades and now it’s going to be handed out by the guy holding a knife in his other hand.
Yes, but it shouldn’t be legalized for the wrong reasons. We used to justify legalization using arguments about personal freedom for recreational use and pushing for more rigorous research into the therapeutic use cases. Now its popularity in the population is just used to push a pseudo-scientific and anti-science agenda.
Yes, but it shouldn’t be legalized for the wrong reasons.
This is kind of an interesting thought, imo. If one agrees with the resultant policy, does the rationale used to get there matter? Perhaps it does in principle, but I wonder if it matters in practice. The end result is the same.
I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy. Which would mean that they wouldn’t agree with the policy beyond the legalization itself.
I think the implications here is that the reasons it gets legalized can have an impact on the specifics of the policy.
Could you elaborate on what you mean?
If the brain worms tell RFK Jr. That psychedelics are actually a cancer cure, then legislation could be put forth to legalize psychedelics. But rather than allowing recreational use, or using them for a medical purpose based on scientific fact such as use in conjunction with therapy to treat depression, it could be legalized as prescribed medication for cancer. This has the drawbacks of not allowing access to people that could actually benefit from it, as well as now being used as a snake oil cure for something completely unrelated that will prevent people from getting other more effective treatment.
I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was outlining an example where the outcome is favorable by all parties, but the principles used to arrive at the outcome differ. If I understand you correctly, you seem to be describing an outcome that wouldn’t be favorable for all parties.
It does not matter morally, but does rhetorically and politically. The result of neglecting the latter is your rhetoric can be abused, see OP
If the end result is that psychedelics get used as an excuse to take power away from the FDA, then everybody’s safety gets compromised in all areas of healthcare.
I mean there’s already quite some research with psychedelics showing positive results. Expecting RFK to act on facts and science is wishful thinking. We can just be thankful that his twisted mind aligns with science at least in this position.
Plus, a bunch of conservatives will see the raw milk part and die from listeria. It’s a win-win!
but on the plus side, maybe the us can start getting some decent cheeses…
I live in Wisconsin. We have fine cheeses, I dont need it to have actual maggots in it.
A broken clock is right twice a day. A random number generator will also occasionally give you the right answer.
RFK Jr. about to legalize date rape drugs. Mark. My. Words.
True story, I went to my doctor about losing some weight as I was close to getting diabetes. For some reason, my doctor loudly proclaimed “Here is a prescription for some meds” while handing me the prescription.
It wasn’t a prescription for meds. My doctor wrote “Due to Big Pharma and the FDA listening in, I have to prescribed various meds. You really should eat healthy diet that has a healthy amount of calories made up of vegetables and fruit. I needed get exercise and should spend time outside to help everything.”
Big Pharma is everywhere! /s
Yeah it’s the FDA keeping people from exercising.
What he’s missing is that people who want raw milk are already finding ways to get it. And people who understand the safety issues won’t buy it.
There might be some real self selection and culling of the right wing heard about to happen. Maybe this is for the greater good after all?
As someone who does performance enhancing substances and has a keen interest in Peptides and Sarms, I believe that some good could come from this.
Lets not pretend that the FDA hasnt created a walled garden with an insanely high barrier of entry for new drugs and compounds. Its prohibitively expensive to develop anything new and interesting. Especially in the space I mentioned where literally thousands of people are doing those drugs every day. But with precious fuckall in the way of actual literature on doses or quality sources.
Fucking FDA and big Pharma having a stranglehold on vitamins, exercise and su-…and …sunshine…
Don’t forget the FDA’s aggressive suppression of exercise.
Exactly, that’s why I’m so fat and unhealthy!
Don’t give me hope RFK. Like you’re really gonna legalize psychedelics for therapy.
It would suck for the rubes who can be fooled into taking poison, but it would be kinda based if RFK just legalized everything. Reality might turn to shit, but at least we can get high however we want!
I wonder how hard it will be to tell the good stuff from the poison. Depending on just how unregulated they go, labels might not even match contents.
Probably easier than now considering the decrease in stigma and increased impetus for testing as well as elimination of the black market.
I’m not even talking about the fun drugs, but things like a bottle of vitamin supplements, over the counter, or prescription medication. Sure, you can test a batch, but will that mean testing one pill out of each bottle? Or could consistency drop enough that one pill might not say much about the others in the bottle?
Will testing resources get stretched to the point where many won’t be able to afford them if we’ll need to test each bottle of pills we buy to make sure the producer didn’t just stick a nice label on lead pills to make a quick buck and disappear in the night before the fallout?
That was the context of this conversation though. The original comment was about legalizing/decriminalization of psychs, and the reply that you originally responded to was about legalizing (one would assume based on the subject matter) other recreational drugs.
That’s fair and to be clear, I wasn’t intending to contradict what you were saying but to clarify the scope of my comment was intended to be “anything in a package with a label where you trust that the contents match the label”.
I doubt that. Erasing stigma is an important step in researching these drugs. Reclassification so that they are accessable for research is another. However, proper regulation is required so that you know what you’re getting and in the right dosage. The incoming administration want more deregulation. That will mean that quality of supply will be less reliable.
We are still dealing with increaing outbreaks of foodborne illness because of deregulation from the last Trump government. And this affects more than just Americans. I’m in Canada, but because we import food from the US, we are also exposed to these illnesses. My immunocompromised sister had a bout of listeria from food that she should have been able to trust. (I can’t remember which food at the moment). I still have granola bars in my home that I haven’t disposed of yet which were part of a separate recall.
Proper regulation works quietly for the average person. When it’s working correctly, you don’t notice the myriad of ways that you’re kept safe every day. It’s when it fails that we notice.
Illegal drugs are already a black market and that’s the context of this reply thread. Feel free to reread it if need be. Nowhere did I say that I agree with RFK’s approach broadly as you seem to imply. The comment I made was clearly about illegal drugs, responding to a reply thread about legalization of illegal (recreational) drugs.
And my comment is that, with deregulation, you probably won’t be sure about the content, quality, or dosage of legal drugs. If it were properly regulated, you’d be safe.
Also, nowhere did I imply that you agree with his approach. You asked a question and I answered it. I don’t have any opinion about your opinion about him. I gave you my opinion about him, the incoming administration, and the upcoming fallout.
Please go find where I asked a question.
Being able to grow mushrooms legally would be fucking sick and would make the next four years a bit less shitty.
No, he won’t. Or he might, ostensibly, but they will never be propery researched and they will never be properly regulated, so you won’t really know what you’re getting or how it should be administered, so good luck with that.
The only thing you can reliably count on with the incoming administration is that whatever they are doing, they are doing to make themselves and their friends wealthier, at the expense of the rest of the public. Unfortunately, that doesn’t only mean finacial expense.
Can’t wait for the war on sunshine to end!
The solar panels are sucking all the energy from the sun and not allowing anyone else to use it.
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Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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Ackchyually, I think you’ll find it’s Donald Trump sucking up all the sunlight and injecting it directly into people’s veins
Big Sun will get its day in the … eh sun.
He’s going to ban sunscreen isn’t he
Apparently now conservatism is just constantly relitigating every minor perceived slight.
For the most part, liberals have moved past the fact that these assholes held the country hostage and killed a million people throwing their tantrum.
Meanwhile, conservatives are like “we haven’t forgotten that you made fun of us for the horse dewormer thing.”
Yeah. They were pretty adamant lefties were easily triggered a few years ago
Now they believe lefties are destroying the environment, and are having a temper tantrum over a lie as stupid as people eating pets told by a guy who lies about everything
That’s okay I’m going to be eating popcorn in Chicago well Florida gets drowned by climate change. And I seriously can’t wait for that day.
In all likelihood you will be too busy with the flooding, the heatwave, or the tornados.
People forget climate change is going to affect nearly every corner of society. There will be very little safe haven and overcrowding in those spared the most.
The region of Tennessee and North Carolina that was devastated by Helene was considered one of the climate safe havens.
Disinformation coming out of the FDA is a real issue though, it’s just that RFK isn’t exactly the person we should want trying to fix it. His list covers the entire spread from significant real issues to batshit crazy conspiracy theory, leaning heavily towards the latter.
It’s notable that the areas in most need of reform were all broken by conservative politicians.
He’s not conservative.
Yup none of these people in Trump’s purview are actively trying to conserve the rate of change.
They should not be labeled conservative by anyone any longer.
