I used to be lukewarm about Dave Chappelle’s comedy,” says Travis Merks of Calgary, “but I’m really coming around to him now that he’s awful.”
LOL that was a solid one, Beaverton.
This is too good: I couldn’t tell if it was satire until I looked at the comments.
Dave Chappelle isn’t funny anymore
Chappelle’s quickly-released followup special, titled So Brave,
Lost it lol
anymore
I mean, it’s not like he was a lot funnier in the past. I think his performance is pretty much the same. How people perceive comedy is subjective of course, but I don’t think I never really laughed at his stuff. Smiled perhaps.
His delivery is some sort of interesting though and he’s fun to listen to.
I disagree with this point, I thought he was fucking hilarious before. but he is so goddamn preachy now even not counting the trans stuff.
he is so goddamn preachy now
Yeah, that’s true for sure. And it is tiring.
I disagree. His old material was hilarious. And still is, IMO.
So you agree that how people perceive comedy is subjective, I guess. Could it be that he ridiculed people you don’t care about before?
I don’t care about trans people though.
As humans, yes, sure. But their group identity carries no special valence for me.
So I think you raise a reasonable point, but I don’t think it’s an influence here.
No not when you take his jokes out of context and eliminate the tone and any familiarity with his style of delivery.
His tone and delivery doesn’t make his whining about being ‘canceled’ or his bigoted jokes from the last five or so years better.
I haven’t heard either of those things.
Usually the punchlines of his jokes aren’t true statements, you understand that right, he’s joking? People are laughing?
I love how you admit to not having a fucking clue what everyone is talking about, but still assert, full of confidence, that you’re right anyway. 🤡🤦♀️
Not that it matters, because you clearly don’t care about reality, but
A. “just a joke” isn’t and never has been a defence, it’s just openly “disguised” bigotry, but more importantly
B. Chappelle himself openly admits to not only deliberately antagonizing trans people which he continues to do, but that next he plans to deliberately target disabled people because we’re less “organised” and therefore, he thinks, less likely to push back against his bigotry.
There is only one reason left for anyone to defend this asshole, he made damn sure of it, and he was right too - bigots defend bigots. ¯\(ツ)/¯
I’m not a fan, he’s boring lazy and has a victim complex. The joke about targeting disabled people instead is not the hill to die on, it’s the closest he comes to jokes now
You are clearly incapable of understanding anything beyond the literal. Be afraid. Chappelle is coming for you personally.
Ok Gramma, back to the home for your meds.
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Lmmfao, in other words, you admit you’re a bigot and are going to die on this hill defending the… what, reputation? of a more famous bigot, who has openly admitted to targeting marginalised people and “loving to punch down” (aka being a bigot), because you just can’t fucking help your bigoted self because you just love bigotry that fucking much.
Fucking clown.
I only see one clown here lmao. DesertClowns🤡 Keep em coming. Your cluelessness is comedy gold! You’re right, you are the direct target of his jokes, but get this: it’s got nothing to do with disability or gender… It’s your ignorance he’s poking fun at.
It’s not true, though, you understand? It’s just a punch line. He doesn’t really think being trans is the same as pretending to be Asian.
“Joke’s on you, I was only pretending to be a bigot” while being surrounded by and supported by bigots isn’t a great argument that you are in fact not a bigot. 🤷♂️
It is if you’re another bigot who genuinely thinks bigotry is funny…
People just love telling on themselves… 🤷♀️
“He openly admits the punchlines of a joke? No way.”
Nice of you to admit that you think being trans is the punchline of a joke.
So every Chappelle fan is a bigot?
Occam’s Razor, you didn’t get the joke.
It’s extremely foolish to support Chappelle even using HIS OWN logic. Remember why his show suddenly ended? He realized a ton of people weren’t seeing the irony and were just laughing straight up at the silly bigotry in his skits unironically. It wasn’t making people aware of black issues and it wasn’t helping white people not be bigots.
Then he runs off to Africa to find himself and comes back and … decides to DELIBERATELY TARGET another minority group?! Wasn’t that kind of ignorant heel-digging the exact thing he was making ironic skits about black culture to push against?!
Either way, Dave is either now KNOWINGLY targeting a minority group, or he’s an ignorant boomer too fucking stupid to see he’s doing to trans people exactly what he didn’t want to do to black people.
Either he’s a bigot or a moron. Either way, he doesn’t deserve respect.
yea but that was bigotry aimed at black people, this is bigotry aimed at trans
No but they’re all OK with bigotry.
So every Chappelle fan is a bigot?
Yes.
And you don’t get to make the call of wether or not people get the jokes.
“If I get arrested, I’ll say I’m a woman and rape everyone.” is hilarious and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What was your favourite trans joke from this set? Maybe the super-relevant one about the 2 year old music video? The plainly stated Daily Wire talking points maybe?
Watch the Closer for both, with the bigotry being him telling jokes at trans people with the excuse that he has one trans friend.
You know, like the old ‘I have one black friend’ excuse that he used to make fun of back when he was funny.
I’m actually really curious about this; I see people using this same line all the time: “You do understand what jokes are, right?” or something very similar.
Do you legitimately believe that the people upset with Dave Chappelle really don’t understand what jokes are? 'Cause, like, that’s really not the case. If you legitimately believe that, then I think it’s probably time for you to re-evaluate how you view reality, 'cause you’ve got some big discrepancies between it and your belief about what reality is.
I think they don’t like him to begin with and they hear the punchlines, and they literally don’t accept or realize that he’s being facetious. Every great comic alive respects Dave Chappelle as one of the best ever.
I used to love Dave Chappelle. He gave a huge fuck you to the establishment back in the day, and deserved credit for that. He was punching up.
But he decided it bothered him that trans issues got the spotlight, and that he wanted to punch down. Ok: fair play. Yell some jokes.
But then the jokes suck. They’re not insightful. They’re not full of commentary. They don’t highlight dissonance on people’s words or actions.
And if you’re punching down and aren’t funny, you’re not a comedian… you’re just an asshole
I think they don’t like him to begin with
Most of us grew up with him and were excited for him to come back. I watched his first special on Netflix the very first night it came out.
I loved him growing up. Now I see him for the moron/bigot he is. He isn’t a comedy genius. He’s just good at making fun of minorities. He thought he was hot stuff until he realized it was just giving white people an excuse to say more racist shit instead of opening their eyes to the stupidity of bigotry.
He literally quit his show because he didn’t want to do that to black people… but he’s fine doing that to trans people!? He’s either a bigot or a fucking idiot completely unable to see the problem even after he quit his show over it.
I think you’ll find that most of the people watching his comedy are former fans.
So you believe that the people who don’t like what Chappelle has become in the last few years understand what jokes are, but don’t think that Chappelle is joking?
I think that speaks much more to how you define a joke. From what you said, it seems to me that you believe that a joke is completely devoid of meaning and context; that the selection of material and the way it’s told has no bearing on the beliefs of the person telling it. I think you’ll find that most people don’t share this definition.
Jokes, like every other form of communication, are a type of rhetoric. You can tell a lot about a person from the things they find funny. Dave, for instance, seems to find the idea that Trans people are crazy or lying about being trans to be hilarious (judging from his last couple of specials). Most of the people here don’t share that belief.
Why is it that you apologists never actually apologize, but excuse away bad behavior.
You should be called excusists.
The word ‘apologist’ comes from the same Greek root as ‘apology’, apologein, meaning ‘to defend’. Apology is now a synonym for saying sorry, but an apologist is a defender of a cause. Apologists typically don’t apologise for being apologists, if you catch my drift!
You’re annoying and whiney. You don’t know shit about me, stfu. And shit shitty community is a weird echo chamber apparently obsessed with Dave Chappelle.
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It’s ok to joke about trans people. The problem with Chappelle is trans people are the butt of his jokes.
It’s a rule of life. If you’re punching down, you’re going in the wrong direction.
Also, he’s doing this in a climate where people are trying to eliminate trans people. Read the fucking room Dave
The problem with Chappelle is trans people are the butt of his jokes.
No, the people who clutch their pearls for trans people are the butt of his jokes.
Remember his joke about the LGBT car ride? You know the one where the punchline is that no one likes trans people? That one? The transphobic joke?
Right now, you’re on the side of bigotry. It’s ok though. You can realize that people of all stripes are valid. It’s ok to change your mind. We all welcome people that aren’t bigots, but especially those that change because changing is hard.
Remember his joke about the LGBT car ride? You know the one where the punchline is that no one likes trans people? That one? The transphobic joke?
Probably not, since it sounds like a rather mediocre joke. Like Chappelle jokes usually are. Let’s see if I can find it.
edit here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIQ6guDPed8
edit2 watched it now, and can reiterate that Chappelle jokes are mediocre. Even the ad-lib he did when somebody’s phone rang was just … lousy. And that joke was all over the place, to me it obviously wasn’t just “the transphobic joke”.
Right now, you’re on the side of bigotry. It’s ok though. You can realize that people of all stripes are valid. It’s ok to change your mind. We all welcome people that aren’t bigots, but especially those that change because changing is hard.
Well, frankly I started from something you might call a trans ally. That’s my default, I guess. I’ve changed towards being more skeptical. And let me tell you, being condescending towards people is not a way to get more allies. It doesn’t work for smart people, average people, nor does it work for dumb people. Whichever you think I am.
The room is a comedy club and everyone is laughing.
“If someone laughs then it’s morally unimpeachable” is a sentence you can just say.
“Well, as long as people are laughing, it’s okay!” - a bigot, in defense of bigotry.
You’re misrepresenting my comments.
No one buys this excuse outside of those who agree with the message of the jokes. Just because it’s told in joke form, doesn’t mean it’s not saying anything. If anything the best types of comedy are the ones where they are saying things. Like I remember a comedian talking about going to do a show, and it wasn’t until right after his set it was a show run by the KKK. If they have a comedy night and make jokes about black people, is that just joking? I mean, you can’t claim it’s racists just because it’s coming from a racist, because it’s a joke. You’re not meant to take it seriously.
Describe a punchline then that’s funny of his now?
(I haven’t watched him since he occasionally got a laugh out of me when I would skip through the Chapelle show. But usually even back then, he was only funny because it was playing off racist tropes and the uncomfortability added to the humor. He threaded the needle a bit back then, but even he admitted his comedy did more harm than good. Right now he’s doing way more harm to my people, just to grab cash because apparently his Chapelle show money wasn’t enough)
Suck all the innuendo and tone out of a joke and try to tell you it in lemmee? No thank you. You can watch his comedy or not (I don’t care) and you may or may not find it funny and either one is okay. If you don’t, don’t call him a bigot though if you literally don’t understand that he is usually not seriously taking the position that the punchline of the joke suggests. Of course a lot of the punchlines are absurd. He knows they’re absurd. That’s the joke.
Comedy isn’t objective but to the extent it is, Chappelle is one of the most successful comics ever and is widely beloved by comedy fans and especially other comics, many of whom consider him to be the best alive, virtually all of whom consider him to be a top ten comedian of all time.
You can watch his comedy or not (I don’t care)
Seven comments deep and arguing with everyone for over an hour… Uh huh.
So basically you don’t have a joke of his that you can link to that’s funny. Not even a time stamp of the steaming pile of horse shit you keep telling people to watch. 😂
My bud, you don’t have to find him funny.
I’m willing to be convinced you just don’t have it. And I’m not your bud.
Usually the punchlines of his jokes aren’t true statements
You feel the same way about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, right?
My favourite joke was when he said that if he went to prison he’d say he was a woman and rape everyone - that was hilarious, and definitely not a screaming self-report.
What way your favourite joke about those icky transes?
Ooh ohh I nearly forgot - I also loved the joke where he just described a music video that was only what - 2 years old… How topical and insightful!
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As someone who watched the first 5 netflix special he did, they get progressively less funny and he leans way more into culture war bs. If it was a comedian telling Trump jokes for an hour I’d turn it off too.
Especially if it’s the same Trump jokes we had heard other people tell a thousand times. The attack helicopter joke is like 15 years old now and every trans joke is basically a variation of it.
No one had a problem with his “tone and style of delivery” when he was actually relevant.
Chappelle: I’d like to announce my new special, “Let’s get TERFy”. It’s just me in front of a brick wall making transphobic jokes for an hour. It cost 80 million dollars.
Interviewer: How do you sleep at night?
Chappelle: On top of a pile of money, with many beautiful ladies.
Lol, nothing beats a cromulent Simpsons reference.
Dave became a rich old white hick. It’s not just bad trans humor, it’s old, tired ass bad trans humor. Same style of jokes rich old racist morons use. Hicks absolutely love that kind of empty headed shit though, so they defend him.
Now the fact that Dave disappeared to FUCKING OHIO and “worked on comedy” in fucking OHIO tells you everything you need to know about how fucking unfunny Dave Chappelle is now.
I used to be a huge fan. Now he’s just not funny anymore bigot or no.
Now the fact that Dave disappeared to FUCKING OHIO and “worked on comedy” in fucking OHIO tells you everything you need to know about how fucking unfunny Dave Chappelle is now.
I don’t think Yellow Springs, OH is the reason Dave Chappelle is now a transphobic asshole, as you’re suggesting. Yellow Springs was first started as an attempt to create a socialist utopia. It’s super hippie dippy, and home to a notable liberal arts school. It’s historically much much more liberal than the rest of Ohio.
Also he’s lived there since like 2005, well before his transition into a transphobic asshole.
In my opinion, the reason is money, along with the “fuck you I got mine” attitude that comes with oodles and oodles of money.
It’s a liberal pocket of suburban ohio. Think of Bill Maher types but in a hippie bubble, that’s yellow springs.
Dude was a guy who was totally willing to call bullshit to things and stand up for people.
But then for some reason, he saw a group of marginalized individuals being mistreated, feeling isolated and committing suicide and said, “Let me fuck with them too.”
The karma is when his kids turn on him.
We know it’s satire. In case you didn’t know, satire is often used to poke fun at real world occurrences.
I’m not a coward about words, but I’ve had this point deleted by mods before.
Malcolm describes the difference between the “house **gro” and the “field **gro.”
If someone came to the house **gro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” naturally that Uncle Tom would say, “Go where? What could I do without boss? Where would I live? How would I dress? Who would look out for me?” That’s the house **gro. But if you went to the field **gro and said, “Let’s go, let’s separate,” he wouldn’t even ask you where or how. He’d say, “Yes, let’s go.” And that one ended right there.
Full speech: https://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxa17.html
It wasn’t just tired-arse bad trans humour, it was tired-arse bad humour. I got 17 minutes in before I had to stop - I got past the offensive jokes, and then I was stuck listening to jokes other comedians were telling 20 years ago. If I’d kept listening, I’m sure he eventually would’ve made a joke about airline food.
He’s been smoking so much weed the last 20 years the world passed him by.
I’ve been smoking weed for 20 years and I’m not a homophobic, ableist piece of shit and I certainly wouldn’t use a Netflix platform to tell bigoted jokes. So I don’t think it’s the weed. It could be that he’s just an asshole.
i think it’s the mussie stuff more than the weed
Dont take away someone’s blackness, no matter how shitty
The Beaverton is Canadian Satire news. Don’t ya feel like an idiot now lmao
I mean it’s literally posted in theonion group… don’t ya feel like an idiot now lmao
Uhhhh he does actually have a Netflix special where half of it is bad trans jokes tho so who really is the idiot?
This really ain’t the “gotcha” you think it is, buddy. Try again.
The only thing better than watching a bully make an ass of themselves is when they do it trying to mock someone else for not understanding something when they are actually the person who doesn’t understand. I’ve seen two today already, the assholes are out in force!
Tl;dr: wicked self own bro.
You leapt in to defend uncle Dave before checking the c/, huh?
The Beaverton is like a Canadian Onion of sorts.
I stopped watching this guy when he sold out to Elon Musk. How lost do you have to be to do that when you’re as famous as this guy was?
Yeah that was such a I hang with rich people weird move that made no sense. Almost felt like Musk paid to go on stage and Dave was like yeah I’ll take your money.
I didn’t think he’s as transphobic as he’s put out to be. However, he’s not coming off great and I don’t see why he needs those bits. He’s a better comedian than that.
Like I think I saw a clip of one of his most recent ones and at the end it … the point was that a trans man or women doesn’t really look much like who they want to be or identify as to him. I mean, it seems dehumanizing doesn’t it?
Well, maybe he is as transphobic, maybe I gotta see the whole special to get it and it’s part of a larger gag. In any case, I’m not a fan of that type of stuff. Also, he brought Musk on stage so fuck him.
The transphobia stands out because it’s neither funny nor relevant - there’s no purpose to it other than to be a cunt performatively.
The Lil Nas X song he talks about is what - 2 years old now? Beyond that, the “jokes” are the same thing the daily wire has been rolling out for years - “He has a penis and thinks he’s a she hurrr durrr.”
Then there was the whole “If I went to prison, I’d say I’m a woman and rape everyone in sight” hilarity.
Has he ever told a funny trans joke?
That last joke I freaking hate. I swear it’s so goddamned lazy. I’m watching a regular YouTuber talk about some random topic and he decides to chat with his audience and he makes the exact same joke. “Hur dur, if I go jail I’d identity as a women and be super woke cause that’s all they care about now and I’ll get off scot-free”.
I hate it.
I think “joke“ is a stretch with that one - it’s not original, not funny, and delivers no meaningful commentary beyond “I’d be a rapist if I thought I could get away with it.”
Chapelle was a decent comedian when he talked about what he knew and had something to say, but this is just pitiful.
Has anyone?
Oh there certainly are funny trans jokes, it’s just that they come from people who respect trans folks and understand them enough to actually be funny. Just like jokes about black people, which is what used to make Dave funny. He was familiar enough with black culture, and had respect for black people enough, to make actually funny jokes about them where the punchline wasn’t “herrr durr look how dumb and scary they are”.
Yeah this video deals with it quite well
Definitely.
Believe it or not, leftists tend to not be humourless wokescolds and oppression Olympians like the right had to start pretending they are when they abandoned remotely defensible arguments, and had to fall back on being “triggering”.
Others have shared jokes (which I haven’t watched yet), so I’ll skip butchering one myself.
I think Dave just became an old man with set opinions earlier than he was supposed to.
He has similar energy to a not-quite-racist-but-certainly-off-color grandpa.
He’s whatever it takes to grab the headlines. If transphobic comedy is what it takes, that’s what he’s going to give.
It’s his schtick, He goes there because it’s an easy way to differentiate, few people are going to go there these days.
The problem, from a comedy perspective, is that lots of people go there. Ricky Gervais, every right wing late wanna be news or comedy talk show host, every unoriginal Twitter/X jokester, your drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, etc. The “I identify as X” joke they all derive from has been dated since like 2010.
The only reason he makes headlines is because he’s famous and used to be good, and now his bigotry makes people angry and sad instead of laugh. Those reactions do draw clicks, and it makes him want to strike out and keep doing it, because all famous, rich people are children who are mad at people who don’t like them.
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I was thinking damn that’s rough for the Onion.
It’s not the Onion.It’s Canada’s version of The Onion.
So it’s The Onion-adjacent.
How people see Canada: So polite! Chill, harmless.
Canada’s Onion: Would you like some maple syrup on that burn?
The Chive? I was going to say The Leek but Welsh people probably claim that one
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You ok?
you know I think most people understand that a comedian’s “role” is to be funny, right. and then, they will argue against that comedian, on the basis that they are not living up to their role, they’re not funny. dave’s wrong because he’s not funny. if only dave was funny, then what he’s doing would be fine! I think this is kind of misguided, kind of dumb. you argue against them, accepting the premise of their argument, but then you have an inability to fully take their perspective, see the comedy they apparently can see, and then it kind of falls flat. you’re also not the arbiter of comedy, like, have some perspective, some shitheels are going to find that funny, and their comedy, you know, it exists. we have to stop pretending like it doesn’t.
no, my issue isn’t with his comedy, whether or not he’s funny, I don’t really give a shit about that. I care about whether or not what he’s doing is morally right. comedy is just kind of blatant escapism anyways. are the dozens of people saved from suicide by direct consequence of watching dave’s comedy, are they worth the lifetimes of time wasted on watching him? I don’t want to get like morally puritanical about all media, or say that countercultural media has no place in society, right, but I also think that you have to be trying to do something with your media. just kind of throwing it out there so people can whittle away their life on laughing at your funnyman jokes is kind of lame. that’s why george carlin was good. george carlin was actually not that funny. I know, sacrilege, heresy, whatever. I prefer mitch hedberg, pure wordplay. it’s not that he was funny, it’s that he was legitimately correct, and radical for the time, and unfortunately still somewhat radical today. but it stems from the fact that he was correct. dave being funny, not funny, whatever. but dave is just blatantly incorrect in his worldview, here. the perspective from which he makes these jokes, i’m sure the jokes he’s cracking are funny from that perspective, but it’s a wrong perspective, a bad perspective. it shouldn’t like, not be allowed, be outlawed, not be conversed with, discussed, but it’s a wrong perspective. and i find his comedy to be bad on that basis, rather than on the basis that he’s not funny.
I love the way you write
Chappelle does this because of something people are afraid to talk about because of the identity of the person doing this. An easier way to understand it is identity politics. Didn’t he admit that trans people get more shit than black people now? They don’t even dog whistle us. People can talk about outright killing trans people and incite violence without any consequences. And it’s not like the police like us either.
no, the real reason Dave went after our hero was because they said something snide and laughed about Musk
Dave: Noooooooo why are the poors so mean to us Elon?! Don’t they know we’re better than them?! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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Chappelle is past his peak. He’s still funny but it’s been a steady decline since his return imo.
The new special is hilarious but no one will watch it because of the last one. He addresses it in the first 5 minutes.
Lampshading bigotry by saying “haha i love punching down” doesn’t actually make it not bigotry…
Yeah the funniest part of his new special was where he said he would identify as a woman to get into women’s prison and make all the women suck his lady dick.
Hilarious.
/s
He’s a comedian. He has the right and the freedom to say whatever he wants and people have the right to laugh. Similarly, people have the right to not laugh, and the right to criticize and argue with him. We have the right to point out that a lot of people who are laughing with him aren’t doing so ironically. They’re laughing because they wholeheartedly agree and find trans people disgusting and worthy of ridicule.
I went and saw him in Boston live for that show. It was fuckin great!
Love Chappelle.
I always find it funny that people forget the whole story of the Closer in his special, where he took his trans friend and comedian Daphne on tour, effectively giving her, arguably the single largest possible chance a comedian could have?
Don’t want to spoil it but damn, that story broke me.
I assure you nobody has forgotten that Dave “had a trans friend.” Nor that he made sure to pat himself on the back for it.
I think giving them the best professional opportunity of a lifetime is a bit different.
And telling a tragic story about her isn’t really patting one’s self on the back.
If she was such a good friend to him maybe he should stop lying about what caused her suicide.
Ehhh, I’m pretty willing to give him some broad license in telling it. Given her note, you can pretty easily imagine some argument with members of her smaller, more irl friends, who would probably delete or have done things in small chats.
It’s like when Chappelle talks about being confronted in the restaurant, I don’t expect the guy was actually a 6"5 Texan gay wedding a knotted shirt…
You’re comparing a set up for a joke to what is an apparently seriously delivered statement about what drove someone he calls a friend to suicide.
And I completely disagree, he’s not entitled to license when it comes to discussing her suicide. Especially when he’s presenting it as the truth, especially when he’s using it to castigate members of a minority that are criticizing him, especially when he’s using her corpse as a shield against criticism.
Like, you get how inventing a trans mob that harassed a trans woman into suicide right after he got publicly criticized for transphobia is at bare minimum shithead behavior, right?
“Dave has a close trans friend though”
“he was lying”
“yeah but it’s ok when Dave lies”
you’re a fucking clown 🤡
The hate train on Chapelle is just a continuous punchline
