I had a lot of silly conversations before stumbling onto this.

You have restored my faith in lemmy. Thank you.

I’m assuming this is on a dating app…

Maybe I’m an asshole but good conversations are a dime a dozen. If we go out, have a good connection and make plans? Personally, I’ll apologize to the others I’m chatting with but I get the ghosting. What percentage of “good” (generally just fine with maybe a solid joke) app convos lead to a connection we both want to pursue? Not all that many.

I hope you’re right! I’m used to these kids online “Oh, I’d kick your ass” etc but threats of violence against republican and democratic leadership is spooky because there’s always that small chance that it’s actually an unhinged adult instead of an edgelord teen.

If you’re an adult saying that violence is the only solution because people don’t agree with you, that’s fucking terrifying.

Honestly, no trolling, if that’s what you sincerely believe to your core, there are all sorts of therapists. If you are an adult, odds are you have some sort of coverage that will help fund that. Otherwise, there are at least free resources.

That’s the kind of shit most folks grow out of by their 20s except for a dangerous few who go on to do horrific things (none of which have ever helped their cause outside of the basic goal of terrorism which is to make things worse for everyone.)

You need to accept this loss was a complete loss. There’s not going to be a righteous come back.

Kid, I get it feels like that. I remember being young and super upset about elections and thinking similarly but in retrospect, that was probably just the emotional rollercoaster of being a young teen and hey, I get you, that’s difficult. Especially with the world even worse now.

But, losing 51 to 49% in a time when almost every incumbent government has suffered shattering losses isn’t all that ridiculous, unexpected or an ominous harbinger of unavoidable doom. Deciding that it is such and making the only viable opposition party look even dumber though, well, that helps trump for next term.

Yes, trump will do a lot of damage. But, things can and hopefully will, get better. Remember, he was elected in 2016 and what happened the very next election?

I’d strongly suggest reading more about the world. It’s boring at first but it’ll give you perspective, context and understanding. (Or at least learn what a sunk cost is.)

Because I’m a functional literate adult and they are the best chance of making things better in America?

Throwing a temper tantrum in Congress isn’t going to help.

Voting in the primaries and moving the party to where you want it to be, does help!

And I’m mature enough to realize that not everyone will agree with my politics, so I’ll probably vote the farthest Left that I think can win their race, so as to not help Republicans.

This shit matters. While I’ll be fine pretty much no matter what, not everyone is so lucky. So, as a person with empathy, it’s important to think about what will help versus what is some stupid shit that would make me giggle but would be zero help (like your proposed electors nonsense.)

And the thing you are espousing is a stupid plan that doesn’t help change anything.

If republicans are that dangerous, don’t help them by throwing a pointless temper tantrum that erodes support.

This isn’t complicated kid.

Ahhh good “people won’t listen to the things I want so violence is the answer.”

When you’re espousing the same political philosophy as Al Qaeda, you should reassess.

That being said, I said some stupid shit when I was a kid too, hopefully you grow out of it and help us actually make things better.

Sad lol

This is why people have a hard time taking the left seriously.

Yeah, and they fucked our country so fuck them. If you were “on the fence” about this election then you simply dont desrve voting rights. Your opinion does not matter anymore.

Ironically, this is how a large swathe of the country feels about those who voted for Harris.

Kid, we couldn’t even get a majority of Americans to vote with us this time. Hystrionics and temper tantrums are not going to make things better.

<(and by eventually I mean within these four years)

Yeah, I think that’s pretty nonsensical.

Were that the case, there’s no reason for Smotrich to wait until after the election to announce his actual intentions etc. Nor any reason for them to hold back until now. Your take requires some incredibly coincidental timing that I don’t think just happened magically.

Like, I get your argument I just think it’s more than a little silly but to each their own.

Cheers.

last opportunity for the left to do something.

To do what? This would accomplish exactly as much as when a toddler has a tantrum in the grocery store.

“Oh no, the Dems tried some nonsense that doesn’t in any way inconvenience us, whatever will we do?!? Anyway.”

If you think highlighting the hypocrisy would jolt people, I again remind you of the Supreme Court fun with Garland and RBG.

All this does is make it harder for people to take the Dems seriously next time.

I mean, I missed a word but that definitely made it more confusing (even if it was paraphrasing your point.)

Am I understanding your argument is that:

You feel Israel will eventually annex the West Bank so it doesn’t matter whether Harris or trump won in 2024?

it would just stir the pot so brilliantly

Lol, no.

The world doesn’t work like this.

Who would get fired up who wasn’t already on side? Independents or those on the fence would just note that the Democrats were pulling the same nonsense they just spent four years crying fascism about. Right wingers would just see confirmation that the rules don’t matter. On the Left, the adults among us would see this as a stupid, hypocritical temper tantrum with no possibility of success and a further erosion of democratic norms.

This would be super unhelpful.

You want them to simultaneously seem like hypocrites AND idiots?

To what end? Funsies?

I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say.

Are you saying the Democrats, after called trump’s use of fake electors a threat to democracy, should try that failed tactic?

And are you saying this for 2024? After the Dems lost the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and Congress, Dems should try to install Kamala as the 2024 winner?

Or that they should do that in 2028, regardless of the outcome or only if Republicana don’t cede power or?

Ehhh, I think it sends a message to any Independent or wavering trump voter that “hey, 'member all the threat to democracy stuff we talked about? Yeah, just kidding!”

Sucks to be the adult party but such is life.

Sure, and?

Remember when they had a hissy fit about a Supreme Court nomination too close to an election, refused to fill and then decided the opposite was true if trump was in charge?

In this case the assumption isn’t wrong, because while Harris would likely keep Biden’s policies Trump is going to change a lot of things for the worse, but if you assume that things won’t change under either administration then climate change would be the same under either president.

This might literally be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

“Sure, things will be different but then if you assume things won’t change then they’re the same.”

I feel dumber for having interacted with you, I’m done.

That’s an impressively self centered privileged possible view.

“Sure, a lot of you are going to die but I think it would have happened either way so there’s no difference between Harris and trump.”

Especially when you factor in the Left’s newfound support for Palestine and that there would presumably be support to push for changing the status quo, this somehow manages to be an even dumber take.

the only difference between what they’re trying to do and the status quo is what things are names.

That’s just nonsense. One is likely the end of the road for Palestineans in the West Bank, the other at least has chances for an alternative.

It’s as dumb as arguing that climate change would be the same under either President because you don’t think things will change.