Context: I sometimes hear the argument that god explicitly told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, the same way a parent tells its child not to stick things or touch electrical outlets. So god forcing the two of them to have children and dooming every human ever since is perfectly justified.

  • dustyData@lemmy.world
    53·
    9 months ago

    The free will paradox. God already knows what you’ll do but wants to pretend that you have a choice about what to do.

    • bstix@feddit.dkEnglish
      24·
      9 months ago

      Why did Jesus have to take the blame for “our sins” when it was the father who caused it?

    • radicalautonomy@lemmy.world
      13·
      9 months ago

      There have been people who have been born, lived, and died as atheists. God creates these people despite knowing full well that they will never accept Jeebus as their lord and personal pan pizza and will, therefore, be destined for eternal torture in the afterlife.

      Such an entity deserves no praise, only all-encompassing righteous indignation.

    • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      9·
      9 months ago

      Exactly, I mean is he stupid? Is he not aware what omniscient or omnipotent mean? Because if he does he’s wasting everyone’s time and if he doesn’t then that’s another paradox right there.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
        4·
        9 months ago

        Look, if you play SimCity, is that a waste of your time? And do you care if you’re wasting the time of the Sim citizens?

          • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
            1·
            9 months ago

            Heh, well, we are from our own point of view mostly because we define ourselves to be. Scientifically, there is no firm judgement on this and no clear definition of what “conscious” even means.

            It’s entirely possible that we perceive ourselves to be “conscious” because we were programmed to do so as part of the simulation.

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      Why create someone or allow the creation of someone if you already know they are going to be a violent axe murderer that will kill a dozen people with his bare hands, be non-repentant and end up getting thrown into everlasting hell?

      God is either an idiot that doesn’t know what they are doing.

      Or they are psychopathic and just allow these things to happen because they like watching us perform for them.

      Or even worse, they purposefully create these individuals knowing what they will do and what will result but don’t care.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    26·
    9 months ago

    It’s even stupider than that.

    The tree was not, as is commonly thought, the tree of knowledge.

    It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    So God tells them not to eat the fruit, but doesn’t give them a sense of right and wrong. Why would they even know that they had to obey him?

    Then they eat the fruit, which they didn’t know was a bad thing to do, and get punished for it.

    It would be like leaving a steak in the room with a dog, saying, “if you eat this, you’re a bad dog,” then coming back and punishing the dog for eating the steak.

    • Christopher@lemm.ee
      4·
      9 months ago

      I just noticed the middle tines of the fork are snapped off, allowing for easy insertion.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      1·
      9 months ago

      Nah, there’s a clear warning written besides it. Some might say that leaving a super dangerous object in the middle of my house is careless, but I told the kids not to touch it. That’s good enough. (I’m so good at parenting. It’s almost unbelievable)

      • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        And when your children do end up taking the fork, insert it into the outlet and electrocute themselves … instead of treating them, helping them or sending them to the hospital … you call children’s aide and the police and have them remove the children to be taken into foster care … then blame the children for causing their removal from their home and into care homes and social services

  • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
    13·
    9 months ago

    I love the Gnostic response that the “serpent” was actually Sophia, who was giving knowledge to Adam and Eve because Yahweh was being an immature, narcissistic dick.

  • this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world
    6·
    9 months ago

    Doesn’t the ground plug need to hit before the common and neutral in these outlets? Since it opens a shutter for the outlet.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      3·
      9 months ago

      The fork’s tines are snapped in the middle, so when you insert this fork, current should pass through. Haven’t tested it with a fork, but if I can insert a charger like this, a fork should work too.

      • this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world
        5·
        9 months ago

        I was confusing this with the UK power plug. Which has a ground pin that is longer than thecommon and neutral. It goes in first to provide an instant grounding solution but also the sockets have a shutter on the inside of the sockect that blocks the common and neutral until the ground makes contact.

  • nebula42@lemmy.today
    3·
    9 months ago

    Former Christian here, them choosing to eat the fruit and ignoring God’s instructions is the entire point. This is a lesson for humanity so that they know the consequences of ignoring the one almighty.

    Don’t down vote me here, I’m just the delivery girl.

    • tsugu@slrpnk.netOP
      5·
      9 months ago

      Is there also some lore behind how could god punish them, even thought they couldn’t distinguish between good and evil before eating from the tree? This question has already been mentioned in the comments, and nobody I’ve ever talked to knew the answer.

  • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
    2·
    9 months ago

    Actually it a bit worse. It’s like patents also sending someone to coerce kids into fiddling the outlets with promise of an intellectual reward.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      2·
      9 months ago

      Also the consequences that “doomed the race” were the god’s response to noticing they had eaten the fruit, not from the fruit itself.

      A story about an abusive authority written by people who wanted authority to abuse but had to convince others that they spoke for an all-powerful being.