What’s America’s view on this Tucker Carlson?

  • ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    “Sooner or later this will end in agreement,” was Putin’s message, arguing that Nato was coming to realise that defeating Russia on the battlefield would be impossible.

    Does Putin realize that NATO is effectively fighting Russia with both arms tied behind it’s back right now? We’re funding Ukraine (who are doing a phenomenal job, fwiw), but we’re not even giving them the top of the line hardware. If the US actually got involved, Russia would pretty much instantly lose any glimmer of air superiority they have, and Ukraine could advance all the way to Moscow under NATO air cover. Like, the only reason Russia still exists is because NATO hasn’t even tried to fight Russia on the battlefield yet.

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        And we’re learning that a teenager with a drone can be hilariously effective against modern weapons.

        So is Russia. Except Russia is learning how to combat the kids with drones too. They’re gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren’t.

        Reports vary from side to side, from showing that Russians are curb stomping Ukraine to Ukraine is holding it’s own. So, sure, NATO tossing the kid gloves to Ukraine and putting up a fight is comforting, but it isn’t the whole picture. Russia wins a war of attrition. NATO is made up of democracies and war fatigue sets in fast when it’s someone else’s war. Russia is a de facto fascist dictatorship with deep oil pockets. The only thing that turns their troops around is the head of state dying, or a massive coup. Reports of ether being imminent seem to be rather premature.

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          War attrition sets in much slower when you’re not at war.

          Yes, my government is sending some old equipment and dedicating 10% of the military budget (which is like 2% of the total spending) to help Ukraine.

          That is much less shocking than “Dave from school came back without a leg, and my cousin John didn’t come back at all”.

        • rammer@sopuli.xyz
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          They’re gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren’t.

          Oh, yes they are. Ukraine is in close contact with NATO countries and sharing intel. NATO countries are also buying drones in bulk right now. And developing ones that Russia will not see until they try to pick a fight with NATO.

        • Poach@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          How do you feel about Russia’s deep oil pockets now that Ukraine is going after their refineries and porta? Do you think Russia can continue to advance or hold ground while also defending large swaths of the western part of Russia? Genuinely curious

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      My guess is is does, but he wants the US to lose interest and move on so coloring this as an exercise in futility helps further that goal.

    • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      Yeah right, NATO commands far more nuclear warheads than Russia! They’d definitely loose in a thermonuclear exchange!

      • Liam Mayfair@lemmy.sdf.org
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        If the nuke comes out, it won’t make an ounce of a difference who has more of them: if only each side can manage to land a small handful, everyone is equally and utterly fucked.

        This principle alone is why NATO has not engaged Russia more directly.

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          Yeah but they’d loose too! :D

          I wonder if people forgot, or maybe gen Z and millenials never really know how bad nuclear weapons are. Even a regional nuclear exchange would probably lead to a nuclear winter and then a nuclear summer, completely fucking the climate. As long as we have them, it’s inevitable that we’ll eventually use them. Just the law of large numbers / Murphey’s law. The wars climate change will cause will make that even more likely. But hey, lets keep playing stupid games.

          • ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world
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            10 months ago

            At the same time, the world can’t just roll over and let every tin pot dictator do whatever they want just because they have a nuke.

    • LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world
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      If the US actually got involved air superiority would be the least of our worries. The minute any major NATO nation gets properly involved, the war goes nuclear very soon after

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        10 months ago

        Putin said that about lethal aid, Putin said that about tanks, Putin said that about f-16s, etc. Will Putin really start Wolrd War 3 over The Donbas and Crimea?

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        10 months ago

        I’m betting there are a lot of people under Putin that don’t want to die for his stupidity.

        • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca
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          10 months ago

          There are people over Putin too. No ruler can rule alone and without consent, his rich oligarch buddies don’t want to cruise their yachts during nuclear winter.

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            10 months ago

            Really dampens the mood. Not even the model-prostitutes will want to fuck in such dreary weather. Not that their consent matters to the oligarch.

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
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        10 months ago

        Mutually assured destruction is pretty much why no one will ever actually go through with that if their target also has nukes or is protected by a country that has them. It’s one of the major reasons no country that has nukes wants to disarm.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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                10 months ago

                No worries. Libya did give up its nuclear program as well, but it was because all the countries that invaded Afghanistan in 2001 said, “do it or you’re next.”

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              Gaddafi would still be alive. Dictators now need nuclear weapons to assure survival. Look for the world to get real crazy real fast.

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                  You realize Muammar Gaddafi only died 12 years ago and Russia only invaded Ukraine two years ago? Nuclear weapon programs take at least that long to develop. Ukraine and Libya had programs (Ukraine actually had weapons) and abandoned them, much to their demise. If they kept their programs, they wouldn’t have had these problems.

      • ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world
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        They should have thought of that before co-signing the Budapest accords. At least two NATO countries are already involved.

        The last time Russian units engaged Americans in combat they were so outmatched that the Russian chain of command disavowed their own guys and pretended not to know them. Nuclear conflagration would be a much better death by comparison.

    • Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca
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      Yeah, a lot of it is outrage bait. That is basically how Trump got elected, outrage -> coverage, coverage->legitimacy.

      • Squizzy@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        It is fairly significant, he’s an aggressor in a war currently affecting everything from NATO to inflation. And he has denied access to Western interviewers up until now (in recent times).

      • Asafum@feddit.nl
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        Because our “free press” is just the “ad fee press” now. Their ONLY concern is how much they can profit off of news coverage. Outrage = clicks/views = ad revenue.

        • Tja@programming.dev
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          That’s what happens when people don’t want to pay for anything, including journalism.

          What are the first 15 comments everytime someone posts a NYT article? “oh, no, paywall, fuck the NYT, greedy Bastards what money for their work”.

          You end up with tabloids, clickbait and ad infested shit pages.

          • Urist@lemmy.ml
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            No, it is just a plain defect of capitalistic monetization schemes not aligning with what is good for society. Also, for-profit news stink of corruption and bourgeoisie propaganda with added deficiency of boring clickbait tabloid shitreads more adequate as toilet paper.

            • Tja@programming.dev
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              Yes, state run media never has propaganda. Glory to the Supreme Leader!

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                We are talking about financing. You calling it “state run” only serves to reveal your own bias. It is very much possible to have non profit independent news as well as public funded news outside of politicians control. We have this in Norway, which is really fucking important because one fucking company has bought all for profit news agencies.

                Speaking of glory to the supreme leader, the company in question is also privately held like some sort of Succession fantasy.

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                  Yes, Norway, the richest country of the world per capita, a very relatable and reproducible system.

  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
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    10 months ago

    The American had touted his sit-down with Putin as a triumph for free speech, asserting that he was heading where no Western news outlets dared to tread.

    its amazing that carlson points out his own purpose here is not ‘news’.

    • xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      10 months ago

      Amusingly, even the russian government corrected him on that too - to paraphrase, “we have lots of requests to interview Putin, he just doesn’t want to do it”

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      The even more amazing part is that the Kremlin debunked him. They said they constantly get interview requests from journalists. They just never accept them.

      Edit: Just saw this posted as a response already.

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    Tucker is our most famous right-winger. That’s basically it. He can say whatever the hell he wants, due to our first amendment, which protects both freedom of speech and freedom of the press. This includes a freedom to willfully lie, unfortunately, unless one has been placed under oath.

    • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
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      But it shouldn’t allow him to call what he does “news” or “journalism”. Him, and others like him, should have bumpers before and after every segment that says “the views expressed are purely the opinion of the host and do not necessarily reflect reality or facts” and not at the breakneck speed they used to do those car dealer and drug commercial disclaimers.

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      He has just posted a video of him receiving gifts from the enemy, and he is giving aid to the enemy. This is not speech, this is an attack on America’s interests.

      It’s one thing to campaign in the US and say “I like it when Putin genocides Ukrainians”, but it’s another thing to be paid by a country that we’re indirectly at war with, and provide publishing and broadcasting services to their president, a man who is on the US Sanction list. The illegal thing here is not the speech, it’s the business transaction.

      Subpoena Tucker’s emails and phone and prosecute for illegal business transactions.

  • AirDevil@lemmy.world
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    You know when you’re at a park, see a dog, feel something squish under your foot, and then pick up your fooh to look at it? Yeah, exactly like that but in human form

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      10 months ago

      You know when you’re wearing socks and you step in something wet, and sticky?

      That

  • DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
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    My view as an American is that Tucker Carlson is a traitor, white supremacist, and known propagandist, fuck that guy, in the ass, with a cactus.

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    The part where he claims to have asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO was hilarious, whether he ever asked Clinton or not. Other than that most of the interview was “We’re just reclaiming Russian land from over a century ago” and “China is the real enemy”.

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    The only way I’d watch Tucker Carlson on purpose is in a cage fight with Mike Tyson. Pay-per-view is fine, but I’ll travel if I have to.

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        10 months ago

        Alex is an unhinged junkie grifter, but Tucker is an evil arrogant pseudochristian grifter propagandist with a much larger fan base.

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          I fucking hate making fun of that horrible incident, I can’t imagine it’s easy for him to constantly be reminded about his ear being bitten on live tv.

          That being said, AJ’s sheer shock when Tyson handed him a mushroom gummy and Alex thought it was an ear and initially didn’t know how to react was pretty fucking funny.

          But fuck all these grifters.

    • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      It’ll either be trying to establish a land bridge to Kaliningrad (Poland and Lithuania), or invading Estonia next.

    • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world
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      Poland is a NATO member so I don’t think Russia is going to try anything there, at least officially. They might trigger some proxy war or internal political strife and claim to step in on a peace keeping mission though.

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        Restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and let Estonia into the Nordics by also making the Finnish-Estonian Conmonwealth

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          That commonwealth is called the EU today and, along with NATO, is the reason why these countries are in a comparitively safer position. It would be much riskier for Russia to invade there.

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    10 months ago

    Remember when Lee Harvey Oswald defected to russia? And then changed his mind? I forget what happened after that.

    Yep. Mmm hmmm.

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      “Well are we going to have a serious conversation? Because firstly I need to tell you about the 1647 agreement between the ethnic Russians located in the western Donbas who sent a letter signed gestures off screen to aide here see these letters, completely legitimate. Completely. They say that Ukraine belongs to Russia for ever and ever and they are Nazis because in 1806 the countries border was changed in the Crimean-Polish revolutionary conflict led by the Tsar of Russia.”