I’ve seen many threads suggesting products but they often don’t mention FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software. With FOSS you are already boycotting capitalism, on either side. Free and Open Source ignores borders and shouldn’t be categorized in nationalist terms, no matter where some of the maintainers happen to live.

  • St0ner@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    22·
    6 days ago

    I’ve tried to extol the virtues of FOSS for a long time. Not many people even care about it or their privacy, always parroting the adage “If i do nothing wrong what do I need to worry about” without a further thought.

  • Riley@lemmy.mlEnglish
    31·
    7 days ago

    I always like to say the fruits of FOSS labour are the common heritage of mankind. It belongs to all of us as a public good, created and maintained by selfless workers. (Nevermind the fact that most FOSS projects are based out of Europe anyways).

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    10·
    7 days ago

    FOSS is definitely not boycotting capitalism, but its still an objectively good thing. I see FOSS work as a way for relatively rich imperial core citizens to give back to the world.

    Definitely do not boycott FOSS projects.

    • rmrf@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      I don’t understand why you say FOSS isn’t boycotting capitalism. I don’t disagree, but I also don’t know enough to agree yet.

      • doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml
        2·
        7 days ago

        Look at the success of Linux. It’s not in opposition to capitalism, it’s ba kernel widely used by capitalists. If Linux was truly a threat to capitalism, google wouldn’t use it in their phones.

        I still think that Linux and open source are great. They’re just not neccesarily anticapitalist. They definitely can be in certain circumstances, and definitely make some rent seeking impossible

        • AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee
          1·
          7 days ago

          To be fair, what Google is doing is a perversion of the original intent of Linux. It used to be a direct competitor to commercial OSs. Google turned it into one.

  • Petter1@lemm.ee
    102·
    7 days ago

    Lol, first time I hear that, as European😆 what a stupid movement…

  • jrozycki@lemm.ee
    5·
    7 days ago

    I think there is a different problem. Many of the best FOSS products are unknown to the general public ;/

  • Blackbeard@feddit.it
    1·
    5 days ago

    Not sure why you say that, all projects I’m seeing they ALL include FOSS, sometimes they just specify if one is European and another one no. Also, and to be fair this is the main reason your post make no sense, there is not only software but mainly services and goods as core part of the projects.

  • m532@lemmygrad.ml
    1·
    5 days ago

    More like “buy white”

    The white supremacists think trump bailed on them so they are desperate to hold the remains of their fourth reich together

    And of course they hate FOSS, because they hate freedom

  • Galolinn@lemmy.world
    1·
    6 days ago

    I have been following some of these movements in the last few weeks and, at least the ones I know of, include FOSS in the alternatives to American products and services. So while I support what you say 100%, in my experience so far, it looks like most people are aware of this.

    • Engywuck@lemm.ee
      5010·
      7 days ago

      I think OP means that one shouldn’t boycott FOSS projects just because they are from USA. That said, I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

      • not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
        71·
        6 days ago

        you seem to hold your individual freedoms high, there is a kind of software i think you’ll really like

        • Engywuck@lemm.ee
          114·
          6 days ago

          You seem to wanting to school me about what my preference should be. I’ll happily block you. Bye.

          • Yppm@lemy.lolEnglish
            7·
            6 days ago

            They were just pointing out that saying “my PC my rules” is pretty funny when you advocate for closed source software on it. Your PC their rules.

            Obviously it was tongue in cheek so chill.

            • Engywuck@lemm.ee
              14·
              5 days ago

              That was a shitty reply with paternalistic attitude. The kind of fundamentalist attitude which alienates people from some communities. I use Linux and FOSS exclusively since decades, but if I happily fire up a VM to use some CS software that is only available for Windows, if that allows me to do my job better or faster. I don’t need some stranger in the internet telling me that my workflow is broken because of “principles”. These people better stay in my block list.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        50·
        7 days ago

        I don’t like to be told what I have to do and don’t agree to “FOSS projects, which should always be preferred to corporate software”. My pc, my LAN, my rules.

        …he said, without a hint of irony.

        Meanwhile, “my PC, my LAN, my rules” is precisely the reason I do agree with always preferring FOSS to corporate software.

    • chebra@mstdn.io
      501·
      7 days ago

      @Irelephant

      > “Hey guys, I want to leave X, should I go to Bluesky or Threads? What? Mastodon? Never heard of that. Looks very complicated, I’ll pass”
      > – CEO, founder, IT wizz on LinkedIn

      Every time!

      • adbenitez@lemmy.ml
        1814·
        7 days ago

        Or the classic “guys I am leaving WhatsApp, moved my whole family to Signal, another centralized US-based silo that requires phone numbers and runs on AWS, CloudFlare, etc.”

        • tkr@jlai.lu
          5·
          7 days ago

          we’re not classic, we’re advanced nerds engineers : signal is one church without any interoperability, so we’ve moved to both SIP and XMPP variants using differents provider in the family : everything is decentralized, exactly like email (we dont use gafam ones). It’s not that hard to enjoy xmpp, and really decentralized tools, a bit like for SIP (we have several Voip providers here).

          • adbenitez@lemmy.ml
            11·
            7 days ago

            I like SIP and XMPP, but in practice I don’t have any contacts to use it and the apps are lacking a bit compared to ArcaneChat/DeltaChat, besides the problem of losing groups because the XMPP server went down etc. there are some downsides but yes, if I was not satisfied with ArcaneChat I would use XMPP and SIP, or anything that is open source, decentralized and doesn’t require a phone number

        • a Kendrick fan@lemmy.ml
          32·
          7 days ago

          Thanks for sticking it to the Signal shills, I use Telegram and I understand how bad it is but I’d never use signal in a million years

        • easily3667@lemmus.orgEnglish
          327·
          7 days ago

          Signal: over a decade of leaking nothing and providing a great service for free, with some weird hiccups along the way like cryptocurrency.

          Privacy “advocates”: fuck signal

          • adbenitez@lemmy.mlEnglish
            147·
            7 days ago
            1. if they leaked something you wouldn’t know because US government law doesn’t allow them to disclose if they requested data.
            2. uses AWS servers that also the gov could ask for access to Amazon directly without even talking to Signal, being centralized and depending on AWS infra is also a weakness.
            3. needing phone numbers to register, often tied to passport and it is super easy to get your whole network when compromising 1 device
            4. all centralized services start nice, attracting users, once they have you, and money starts being a problem… meet: enshitification
            • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
              162·
              7 days ago

              1. If they were leaking there would be prosecutors using the evidence in court, on the public record.

              2. It doesn’t matter what infrastructure that they use because the service provides end to end encryption. This remains secure even if a third party is able to record all of the traffic between the two devices.

              3. Has there ever been a single instance where a Signal client had a RCE exploit? Of all of the software on your phone likely to be exploited, signal is low on the list (your browser is where they get you).

              4. Enshittification is a reason to leave, speculation about maybe possible enshittification in the future is not.

        • qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml
          9·
          7 days ago

          i mean… it is massively better, but yes it still sucks. but what do you move friends and family to? last i looked into element it was not an option for several reasons, and i don’t think anyone would switch to basically noname apps like simplex or similar, even if they might be decent solutions. i really want the last few contacts i have on whatsapp to move, but i’m not gonna push hard to get them to use signal just to get it enshittified in the near future. also a few switched to telegram, which while not facebook, is not really better mainly because it doesn’t even e2ee by default.

            • jevans ⁂@lemmy.mlEnglish
              21·
              7 days ago

              ArcaneChat is dope. I’m testing it out with my partner right now. The built-in Jitsi button is super helpful. My extended family (about 30 people) switched over to signal a few years ago, so there is some inertia there, but for any new chats, DeltaChat (and ArcaneChat for Android users) is what I’m going to push for.

          • EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk
            2·
            7 days ago

            What’s the reasons against Element :)? Currently testing it with some friends of mine, before trying to lure my family on it instead of iMessage. So would be interested in why you don’t think it’s feasible.

            • chebra@mstdn.io
              21·
              7 days ago

              @EySkibidiBabBab Element? That’s just one of the apps, and frankly, not the best one. You are looking for Matrix. For android I’d recommend FluffyChat, for desktop/web Cinny. For iOS I’d recommend throwing it to a lake.

              • EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk
                7·
                7 days ago

                Element?

                Element! :D

                I’m fully aware of the relationship between Matrix and Element as well as alternative clients existing. I actually find it kinda hard to communicate about. Whenever i say something like “i sent you a link on Matrix” the few people i use Matrix with get confused. People are used to referring to app/client-names: fb messenger, outlook, iMessage (even if i’m sending an sms) and not the underlying technology.

                I’ve tried explaining it like email - you can register an email somewhere and access it through several email clients. But i mean, people who’s not as much into software as i (and i suspect you as well due to your fine recommendations) – and still refers to their email as “outlook” – they can have a hard time wrapping their head around that relationship. An app is just an app… Right?

                The reason i referred to it as “element” in my comment, was because the comment i replied to referred to it as Element tho.

    • MoonlightFox@lemmy.world
      3·
      7 days ago

      I agree, but am happy that X is losing users to Bluesky, so I don’t try to convert friends and family from Bluesky to Masrodon. I’d rather they start changing other stuff instead that is easier.

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭@lemm.eeEnglish
        21·
        7 days ago

        Oh definitely, Bluesky is far better than twitter. Honestly, seeing the fediverse piss itself over bluesky is annoying, because the alternative is people still on twitter.

  • thericofactor@sh.itjust.works
    664·
    7 days ago

    From a purely “vote with your wallet” standpoint it doesn’t make sense, because there’s no money paid. However, one might worry about data/information getting in the hands of a fascist/compromised government. So I think people should judge this themselves case by case.

    • not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      There is a lot you can do with your wallet to contribute to FOSS.

      Companies, Governments they all can be enshitified but freedom lives on!

    • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
      28·
      7 days ago

      I think the important part is about who is running the server, rather than who made the software

      The fediverse is interesting in that context because each instance can decide where they set up the infrastructure or how they process data / requests. The same applies to self hosting

      I saw an article that outlined which country each fediverse platform “originated” from, such as Canada for Pixelfed and Germany for Mastodon. That’s fun to know about, but otherwise not important to users compared to the instances themselves

      At most it might speak to which laws will govern the project itself, but even then someone can fork a project that goes astray

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      84·
      7 days ago

      I mean, any FOSS project from anywhere could be being used by a fascist government or corporation, to be fair. That’s literally one of the very serious and real downsides of FOSS. It’s able to be used for good or ill.

      I mean, it can easily be argued that the US corporate technology class has benefited far more from FOSS than end-users worldwide.

      Amazon’s EC2 especially:

      Initially, EC2 used Xen virtualization exclusively. However, on November 6, 2017, Amazon announced the new C5 family of instances that were based on a custom architecture around the KVM hypervisor, called Nitro.

      Amazon leveraged FOSS to create their own successful closed-source offshoot. AWS pretty much runs the web. Amazon… is not a good company.

      That being said, the US has chosen to be isolationist, whether all of its citizens agree with it or not. Having less of a presence on the international stage, including in the FOSS world, is simply a consequence of isolationism. So boycotting US FOSS is likely to happen in some ways on purpose, and in some ways just from diminished international respect and involvement.