Let them get their raw milk then?
Kids shouldn’t die because their parents are idiots.
The rare salient point.
The frightening is that there are a bunch of “YEAH! KILL THOSE KIDS!” people elsewhere in the thread.
Pathogens don’t care whether or not you spread them to other people who don’t drink raw milk, I’m afraid.
And people who care, actually do things like get vaccines, and believe doctors.
Unless they can’t, some people are immunocompromised. The world is more complicated than you think, so try thinking instead of reacting.
Please tell me about the salmonella and e. coli vaccines.
I think that’s their point. Just let them be adults and decide. I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else. What I don’t understand is why the Democrats or people on the left haven’t seen this stuff for what it is. Also there’s no counter to this strategy. It’s like a weird game theory situation where one group is knows game theory and the other side knows how to play checkers
I think overall it’s a very calculate issue used as a proxy for something else.
That much is true. Its a proxy for industry de-regulation.
I’m all for people getting the raw milk they demand, because I hope it will lead to a quick demise.
Adult implies mental competency.
The non raw milk people should market their milk on the carton with
Death and Disease Free
You can just buy darwin awards right off the shelf, now.
Go Darwin! Go!
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous.
Not for long, they won’t, because they won’t be allowed to.
Because they won’t exist.
Let em have it. Only way those types will learn
RIP Bobby.
Bobby Singer spitting wisdom.
Sorry but how the fuck are insurance companies OK with this? They hold extreme amounts of power over the US. They are going to have to do ridiculous amounts of payouts for hospital bills.
How the fuck are people’s life saving surgeries getting denied at pre-approval, but they are not denying people’s coverage for fucking drinking raw milk??
They don’t pay out the bills lol. I imagine they’ll work on dismantling the ACA/“Obamacare.” Insurance will cover nothing.
Maybe if this takes off raw milk will show up on health questionnaires or be in the fine print as a pre existing condition
Same as every other money minded entity, if they speak out they’ll be shouted down or destroyed. Ethics don’t matter, number go up.
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At least this time the disease will stay confined to the stupid.
That’s not how diseases work.
Isn’t it contagious
Tuberculosis is also carried in unpastuerised milk. The US currently has the largest outbreak in its history.
Yeah, in Kansas City. From what I’ve been able to track down, Patient Zero came back from a recent trip to the Federated States of Micronesia. Current infected rate reported hit 66 people, but that might be higher.
If you’re in the Midwest, brush up on symptoms to look for, and stay away from Nursing Homes and elementary schools if you’re vulnerable.
Bird flu? Human-to-human either isn’t happening, or is extremely rare, can’t remember.
For now. If it mutates to become more contagious without becoming less deadly, that becomes an everyone problem
Stupidity? Based on the election result, I would say yes.
If they die they die. It’s a risk I’m willing to take
Except they’re also giving it to their kids, who are far more susceptible to the diseases
I said what I said
What you said is horrible and you should feel horrible.
But your willing to sacrifice children’s lives for your own political goals is noted. Israel does something similar.
Ok, so they get to watch their kids die at their own hands, and then head off to jail. Problem seems to be fixing itself.
I don’t give a fuck about their kids.
Not all kids grown in a Republican household turn out to be Republicans.
No one is worried they are gonna turn out republican. This next generation is going to turn out nazi.
Especially the ones raised on raw milk.
And without vaccinations.
Like me!
Same.
Yeah but they might
And not all the Jews that died in the Holocaust were good people. What’s your point?
Human beings deserve to live. It’s not our call to make whether we just save good people, just that we try to save people. Anything less isn’t enough.
We can’t play God.
Kids are innocent, regardless of how shitty the parents are.
And the jews that also happened to be pedophiles deserved to be punished.
Right, but what does that have to do with children drinking milk?
Welp time to switch to 100% oat milk
Oat milk is great imo. Planet Oat extra creamy is the best available where I’m at.
Depending on your patience, you can make your own for super cheap. It’s roughly 100g oats to 1000g water, with 20-50g neutral oil, and a tiny bit of guar and xanthan gums. Blend the oats and water for a minute, strain, then add the gums and oil and blend again. Sweeten to taste. Maybe ten minutes max.
If you can get it easily, adding amylase enzymes (blend of alpha, beta and gamma works best) after blending, warming to around 140, let sit for 30 minutes and then raise to 180 for 5 will increase the sweetness and keep it from getting gloopy. You can get them pretty cheap from a brewing supply store. It’s how they make commercial oat milk, and it’s how they can say “no added sugar” and still have it be sweet.
You wonderful human being, thank you.
What does neutral oil mean? Just any vegetable oil like olive oil or canola oil etc?
An oil without a flavor. Olive oil is an example of a not neutral oil since it imparts a flavor to the dish.
Corn, vegetable, soybean, canola and peanut are good examples. No one would drizzle a little corn oil on a plate to dip bread in. :)
They also can tolerate higher temperatures, so you can use them in cooking a bit easier.
One that doesn’t have a strong taste, canola yes, olive no.
Yeah see this is the thing.
Looking at the ingredients of oat milk it’s often as little as 2% oats.
That checks out looking at these ingredients… 4/5ths of the oats are strained out.
That means it’s really oily unsugary water with a whiff of oat.
What is even the point of that.
Also, fun fact… the xanthan gum seems to kill the creme on a nice cup of black coffee. So a dish of oat milk in your long black is… undesirable.
Horchata, aka chilled rice drink, is only like less than 1% rice! It’s mostly water and sugar, with some spices!
What’s the POINT?!?!
Spoiler: horchata is delicious, and basically the same thing as oatmilk, when you get down to it.
One of the few things I really miss about living in L.A. was all the little agua fresca stands where I could get horchata. And cheap.
The “point” is that it’s a tasty beverage.
Why on earth would you measure the quality of a beverage by how diluted the solids are, or how much filler gets strained out?“Milk is just watered down cheese! It’s 87% water! What’s the point of it?”
Coffee hardly has any coffee in it, you throw away most of the bean.
Don’t even get me started on broth.The fat content is equal to or lower than the fat content of typical dairy based creamers, which is also where the sugar content comes from. A mild quantity of fat is required for the creamer to have a good mouth feel and have a degree of “coating” effect. The gums help keep the fat in suspension since I lack a homogenizer like they use on milk, as well as increasing the viscosity in a way that’s imparted by protein in milk.
If you want to you can just eat the result without filtering. It’s called oatmeal. It’s still watered down though, so I might recommend toasting them and having a nice dry oat bar to go with your puck of dehydrated milk.
In general, I’d recommend against putting any sort of creamer in your black coffee. It tends to make it no longer black coffee.
I don’t personally find issue with any of the emulsifies doing anything to coffee I don’t like, but if you’re exploring there are plenty of others. I’ve had good luck with konjac in a blend with guar, xanthan, and methylcellulose, but two of those are less likely to be in the baking aisle at the store. The more you use the smaller the proportional quantity you need, since they have a synergistic effect. Less than a gram total combined weight of the four previous ones makes a consistency like heavy cream. Great for ice cream base.Your comment is great, equally snarky and informative. I appreciate it and got a couple giggles out of it, too!
Thanks for taking the time for both of your comments. I’ve saved them for the future as I can no longer drink dairy and not a fan of how much sugar some of the commercial oat milks have
No problem! I’ve been lactose intolerant for a while but over the past several years it’s gotten a bit more … Dramatic. The lactose free ice cream always seems to have a funny taste to me, but I tried a oat milk ice cream and was really surprised how creamy it was.
I have an ice cream maker so I started doing some science at making my own. There are worse hobbies, since even the failures are almost always edible. (I did make one with the “fun” property of being nearly identical in texture at every temperature. Scooping some into a hot pan and having it crisp but remain soft is… Unnerving)If you make some, feel free to let me know how it goes! I’d be happy to give pointers to push it in a direction you prefer, or just have another data point for what works. :)
I mean… science says it’s dangerous. Reality says it’s dangerous. And soon, for many, entropy will remember that it was dangerous.
Science doesn’t say that. Control freak whiners say it.
Brother, why do you think pasteurization was invented?
I personally don’t see an issue with people wanting to eat risky foods, but don’t try and tell us that we shouldn’t warn you that they are risky and could harm you. What happens after if your responsibility, but at least allow people to make an informed decision first rather than cover up the obvious health risks.
When there choice can harm others by spreading of disease we should care.
It’s not a this only affects them situation.
Plus, these people inflict these risks on their kids which should be child abuse. The kids aren’t able to make an informed choice.
Because it’d take a week in a shitty wooden “tanker” to move milk from farms into the Parisian slums.
Salmonella outbreak tied to raw milk products from often-implicated firm may have sickened 165
“According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1998 through 2018, there were 202 outbreaks linked to drinking raw milk These outbreaks caused 2,645 illnesses and 228 hospitalizations. CDC points out that most foodborne illnesses are not a part of recognized outbreaks, and for every illness reported, many others occur.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/updates-bird-flu-outbreak-now-linked-raw-milk/story?id=116479974
"Updates on the bird flu outbreak, now linked to raw milk products in California
The first case of bird flu in a person was confirmed in April by the CDC."
"Nearly a dozen cats in California have died since early December after consuming raw milk or raw pet food contaminated with bird flu, health officials have said.
The infections have followed a massive outbreak of the bird flu virus in dairy cows, which has affected in more than 900 U.S. dairy herds in 16 states. About 80 percent of those herds are in California.
Federal and state health officials have warned people not to drink raw milk because of the potential for infection with bird flu and a host of other germs. Officials also have cautioned pet owners to avoid feeding unpasteurized milk and raw meat diets to their animals."
Lol have fun with your bird flu
Wait, are you’re seriously trying to say that raw milk isn’t dangerous??
If I may, I’d like to ask you to read a few resources that will help illustrate how consuming raw milk has the potential to be incredibly dangerous with the hope that you will take this seriously.
The Center for Disease Control is a good place to start where they illustrate what pasteurizing means and why we do it:
Next, I’d suggest you look into the complications that can arise as a result of consuming raw milk:
Dangers associated with raw milk consumption
And finally, I’d recommend you read up on the misconceptions and flat-out lies you’ve been led to believe about the “safety” of consuming unpasteurized milk:
Hope this helps you out!
Any bets if that CDC link is still working in 2026?
Legal in the UK and they’re fine. I don’t need help whatsoever. Clotted cream is fucking delicious.
Some odd use of the word “fine” I’m not familiar with:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/raw_milk
Is raw milk safe?
Raw milk can carry dangerous bacteria such as salmonella, e-coli, listeria and campylobacter.
A 2019 Public Health England review finds raw milk responsible for 26 outbreaks of intestinal infectious disease in England and Wales between 1992 and 2017. These involved 343 people and resulted in 41 hospitalisations. There were no outbreaks between 2003 and 2013, but seven occured between 2014 and 2017.
Pasteurised milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25-year timeframe: 10 due to pasteurisation failures and two to post-pasteurisation contamination.
“In terms of food safety, from a microbiological point of view, drinking raw milk is not safe", says Dr Jorge Gutierrez-Merino, a lecturer in food microbiology at the University of Surrey. “Raw milk may contain many different pathogenic microbes, including some deadly bacteria, which could cause fatal infections, mainly in children, the elderly and immunocompromised people", adds Dr Gutierrez-Merino.
A representative of FSA says “a ban of raw cow’s drinking milk was introduced in Scotland in 1983", adding it poses“a high risk to public health […] with 12 potentially associated deaths in Scotland in the early 1980s".
In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, raw milk is sampled and tested four times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms are inspected twice a year and the herd must be healthy and free from brucellosis and tuberculosis.
If testing detects the presence of harmful bacteria or is ‘inconclusive’, the relevant local authority must be informed and sales of raw drinking milk must cease immediately. The cause of the problem must be identified and corrective action taken. Sales can resume after at least two consecutive tests from different batches of milk proving its safety.
Clotted Cream isn’t the same thing as raw milk.
https://www.roddas.co.uk/faqs/
"IS CLOTTED CREAM PASTEURISED?
Yes it is pasteurised and therefore is it safe for both children and pregnant women to eat and enjoy.
IS CLOTTED CREAM SAFE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN TO EAT?
Yes, it’s pasteurised, so it’s perfectly safe for those with a bun in the oven."
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One of the key manufacturers of clotted cream says in their very own FAQ page, TWICE, that you’re wrong.
The reason it’s not for export is that it’s not shelf stable enough to export. Totally different issue from pasturuzation.
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Again, clotted cream is pasteurized in the cooking process. This is very well known. I think you’re being willfully obtuse at this point.
And for the record, “it’s fucking delicious” isn’t a thing anyone considers when deciding wether or not something is safe to consume. For example:
Typically, pizza is cooked at between 800-900 degrees Fahrenheit, or 259-260 degrees Celsius. However… while I wouldn’t suggest you eat it at that temperature….
I’d be willing to bet it’s fucking delicious.
Fucking hell, you people don’t even understand what pasteurization is. The temperature is literally not raised high enough to qualify as being under NA health regulations.
“Mmmm! This cyanide tastes just like almonds!”
And for the record, “it’s fucking delicious” isn’t a thing anyone considers when deciding wether or not something is safe to consume
spoken like a true chickenshit
🤡🤡
travel and learn
All over the world people are doing really dumb things.
If you’re using “travel and learn” as a way to illustrate the idea that this is what allowed you to arrive at your point that raw milk is safe, It’s clearly ineffective advice.
I’m going to kindly ask that you stop with the misinformation.
travel and learn
This will almost certainly cause a rise in neonatal Listeria cases from maternal transmission…which even if the child survives, can leave them with lifelong disability and functional dependency. Through no fault of their own…just their parents.
lifelong disability and functional dependency.
Poor family from medical bills, more easily manipulated into voting GOP. 3 votes secured!
Conservatives Embrace Raw Milk
Not seeing the problem, here.
Regulators Say It’s Dangerous
…And? We need a little chlorine in our gene pool. If the dumbest and most ignorant segment of America wants to kill themselves, it’s an adult making an adult’s decision. It can only improve society if they do.
My only objection kicks in when kids end up in the cross hairs of that stupidity and ignorance.
Controversial, but the kids have to die for the idiot adults to learn their lesson.
It’s a tragedy because they have little to no agency. But these morons, like those who refuse vaccines, need to watch their kids suffer and die to feel the consequences for themselves to understand why safety regulations are written in blood.
I guess there’s 1 upside to the potential loss of school lunches?
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Fun fact: nearly 40% of all foodborne illnesses were caused by raw milk consumption. Pasteurization has reduced that number down to less than 1%, except in places where raw milk consumption is still allowed.
Been only buying organic milk for 10+ years now out of preference, it stays fresh for much longer than normal milk. This is because USDA Organic milk is ultra-pasteurized in almost the same way as shelf-stable milk.
I searched and found this article and they reported that there’s virtually no difference in nutrients between the options:
https://www.100daysofrealfood.com/is-ultra-pasteurized-milk-bad/
So if all the nutrients are the same, the only difference in less pasteurization is more bacteria. Fuck that!
I think it definitely affects the taste though doesn’t it? I prefer the organic ones that are vat pasteurized due to that reason, ultra feels sweeter to me.
It pretty much always tastes like good fresh milk to me
Legal in the UK, fucking read a book.
Legal vs. Illegal is not the same as Safe vs. Unsafe.
just look at all those dead englishmen
Under certain conditions, and it still poses a risk as the proper labeling of it suggests.
The NLH has some literature on the unnecessary amount of people that are made sick, and some that have died as a result of consuming raw milk.
If you want to believe it’s harmless, and consume it despite warnings, you are free to do so. But I can’t in good conscience allow you to misinform people without due diligence. Now everyone can weigh the risks after having been given both sides of the argument.
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Raw milk is not safe by any standard. Removed for misinformation.
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What’s the point though. I don’t eat raw meat or raw eggs so why would I eat raw milk. If it contains protein and fat then my nutritional needs are satisfied - simple as that really
The opinion of a person apparently never had steak tartar, sashimi, met, whisky sours made properly, or eggs over easy is pretty much worthless.
As much as I delight in watching stupid people suffer stupid consequences, the problem here is the same with their anti-mask bullshit - diseases spread. Bird Flu, or something else, could end up being the next COVID pandemic because these fuckwits are gullible as shit. Then they spread those diseases to the most vulnerable people around them, including children. These kinds of people are why I sometimes regret being an artist. If anyone belongs in hell, it’s people who hurt kids.
Not trying to be rude, it just genuinely went over my head, what does being an artist have to do with it?
