I recently got a ban on .ml for saying that the IS banning people from flying because they called in a bomb threat on an plane is not the same as China banning you from flying because you critisised the government.
Yeah that’s true, because the the first one actually happens.
+10 social credit
Man, your post has really brought out the CCP shills. It’s fascinating to watch people go, “Nuh-uh! China doesn’t do any of that!”
yeah, seems like they’re really hoping to convert some lemmy users
I learned a dozen countries are all in on a conspiracy theory in which they pretended China had operated overseas police stations in their respective countries. Fake news!
Does anyone know what rule 4 is? I was banned from an ml community for that very rule a couple of days ago but have not made a comment anywhere on Lemmy for 9 months.
My current guess - I upvoted/downvoted the wrong person as that’s about all I do on Lemmy.
i forgot but you didn’t actually break that rule, probably….
something i’ve learned from talking to real life leftists is: all very left online spaces, and i mean all, have been completely fucked over by shills.
often just completely controlled by them.
i just got permabanned from lost generation on reddit for absolutely not breaking the rules… they cited a rule, i asked how, then they just muted me from messaging the mods with a message just listing the rules, all of which i agree with….
it sucks but it’s been this way a very long time….
basically just cointelpro continuing.
my guess is you were too genuine and reasonable, so they fuck with you to make you think this is what the left is like, then hopefully you’ll give up and become a capitalist.
These threads are great because they are nice tankie block attractors. They can’t help themselves from commenting on their non tank-3 accounts.
It’s hilarious. I have them all tagged and the same usual suspects always show up like clockwork.
Lol is there a list somewhere? Id love to just blanket ban all the morons
Just check any thread involving China, Russia or North Korea. Or any thread regarding .ml or .world. They’ll always show up.
If I see cowbee in the comments here I’m gonna chuckle.
What’s rule 1 on .ml? Everyone is getting banned for it.
Rule 1 on .ml is “no racism.” In this post, it appears to be “racist” against Chinese. At least from some kind of a point of view.
They also use “racism” as an excuse if you say Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine.
@[email protected] , lemmy.ml mod who larps an American but is a Russian fucking hates it
No, it is against China, not Chinese people.
“Chinese” is a heavily loaded term, containing nationality, ethnicity, culture and language. In this case it is criticising China the nation, not Chinese people in any sense.
It is racist to link China the nation to Chinese people, because many people who are ethnically Chinese do not associate with China.
I know I am about to be downvoted heavily by tankies but just remember that .ml are hypocrites.
Ableism is forbidden, so you get banned if you make fun of communists.
So they are accepting that they have a mental illness right?
Either that, or they consider it their religion and/or gender.
Hi, I am Amon. My pronouns are comrad/comrad
Our pronouns, probably.
What is “Rule 1”? Is it “Thou shall not have a different opinion.”?
thou shalt not say things that are censored in china….
Funnily enough it seems like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are also censored in China via their great firewall.
Edit: lemmy.ml is still blocked, but lemmygrad apparently not.
because westerners can access it
Because the way the fediverse works means that it is practically a proxy into other less CCP-friendly instances which is a big nono
makes sense
i’ve heard that in china, they have a constantly evolving slang for everything banned
Except lemmy.world is not (last time the topic came up, but I haven’t checked since).
that would be kinda hard to determine for sure
There are some websites that use a VPN inside China that let you check if your website is accessible there.
i wouldn’t trust that
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No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
So they’re saying communism is a disability… Makes sense!
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Officially, it’s “bigotry”, unofficially it’s a catch-all so that when someone brings it up their more prominent users can make declarations like this:
“routinely the actual reasons people are mad at .ml is getting banned/ censored for being bigoted”
Only in actual fact, though ashamedly never written down anywhere irl in a manner that is so clear and understandable.
Lol, I got a similar removal and ban (rule 1, 2*) the other day for replying to someone who mentioned credit ratings as a counterpoint to the attempts to discredit the existence of “social credits” (or whatever actual system exists in China, and it does exist, to keep tabs on their population):
This right here.
And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).
This post is such tankie bullshit.
Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.
*as you can see, the ban is really for calling OP “tankie bullshit” and *gasp* pointing out that China is bad in the same ways America is bad. Such fragile egos lmfao
just the fact that .ml stands for marxist leninist is all you need to know….
marxism has some good points, some very bad ones… leninism doesn’t and is hardly a thing anywaysTankies gonna tank ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
cccp gonna cccp
I got banned there last week for saying that lemmy mods are just as pathetic and banhappy as reddit mods
in my experience, they’re a lot worse….
stuff that would get a comment removed or a note from the mod to chill just gets you an instant permaban here…
and they’ll ban you for the dumbest shit too… simply discussing china’s human rights abuses that are well documented and publicized is “racism against chinese people” or some dumb shit….
luckily it’s just the hard hard leftists… the places that are all shills anyway (like he-x-b34r)
(i just spelled that dumb so it’s harder to search).I’ve noticed mods of some instances will lurk and ban users for comments that weren’t even on their instance.
Some of the mods on blahaj do that while using fake user accounts to sow approval.
It’s insane what patheticly small amount of power internet janitors will manage to trip on
Don’t start with Bahaj, I remember a post some time ago where I saw lots of removed comments so out of curiosity I went through the modlog. People were being banned and comments removed for literally nothing (like, not a slur or x-phobia or anything, just a discussion about OPs topic), ban reasons for example were “you’re not the victim” lol. When I pointed it out in that thread, my comment got removed as well (but I graciously was allowed to not have my account banned). Of course you don’t want to have instagram-esque comments in Lemmy but power tripping mods still suck and the modlog is kinda useless if you cannot revoke decisions
Was this before or after Anakin was on the council?
Before I think, all of the clone wars happens before episode 3
Just block those instances. My weirdest and most disgusting experiences ever on Lemmy were on instances like that one.
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It’s not about the suicide nets as I understand the post…, but your answer would be fitting to the poster.
The removal of such talking points is strange, especially because similar points are not removed when critical of Western stuff…
That shouts propaganda
Edit: I just realized, that’s the Meme sub,… political discussions there (critical of the CCP, even when the meme itself is political, get banned)
because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour
So that’s what China is, according to you.
“Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”
But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?
The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.
I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.
It might be a bit repetitive, but I think it’s important to keep the most clear examples here.
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To whom you say that?
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Well, that apple and foxcon are allowed to harass people until they kill themself is an issue of the state they are doing it in. If China would care about its people it would not allow companies to treat them like they do.
OP is writing, that no hard questions were asked, like all the questions China wants the world to forget about.
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But China encourages those foreign companies (including german VW for example) to produce in China and encourage them to exploit Chinese workers. I see the problem at China not protecting their people but sell them off to big companies.
And that is what some call communism… 🤦🏻
because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour
So that’s what China is, according to you.
“Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”
But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?
The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.
I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t. Nananananannana
because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour
So that’s what China is, according to you.
“Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”
But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?
The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.
I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.
I don’t get how suicide nets is a knock on china. They’re making our phones.
It’s our consumer demand and our company’s price points that are responsible for the conditions in the factories that make our phones.
It’s their citizens / labor laws.
Sure an American said “we want 12h shifts 6 days a week with absolutely minimal breaks” (or whatever the specifics are) (and that’s a a terrible request.)
But the kicker is a Chinese labor official said “yup, sure thing”
So are you saying that in the glorious Chinese workers paradise they don’t set and enforce decent health and safety policies and regulate working conditions and wages for the benefit of their citizens? Paint me amazed!
the glorious Chinese workers paradise
The scary thing is they genuinely believe this.
I had responded to a tankie who claimed that China wasn’t an oligarchy by sarcastically asking if they thought the workers control the government, and like 5 different (or are they?) hexbears descended on me to tell me that yes, akshually, they do (and therefore must be the most self loathing workers on the planet, if those are the conditions they inflict on themselves, and curiously keep “electing” the same authoritarian, billionaire, dictator to be at the top of their
classless,moneyless,statelesssociety). 🤦♀️E: on a side note since I’ve got you here and you’re an admin, I thought this instance was defederated from hex, and I have them on my personal blocked instance list, should I still be seeing their users?
You can still come across their users if they post in a community external to Hexbear, even if you have instance blocked them. Our instance actually isn’t defederated from Hexbear fyi. They mostly leave us in peace nowadays though, so unless you go looking for a fight on their instance, you’re unlikely to run into problems with them.
Aww, why the downvote @[email protected]? That was one of my more diplomatic posts too lol.
To be fair, didn’t mean to downvote that one.
I remembered seeing some drama between the two instances from before I moved over to db0, so I just assumed off the back of that, but good to know, thanks! Definitely don’t go looking for them, I have better things to do with my time and little remaining sanity lol
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because the Chinese public isn’t supposed to know about it… plus people might demand more ethically produced phones if they were more aware.
YDI.
The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.
By definition
Sounds like .ml are the biggest bigots around
seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….
but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotryI strongly disagree.
But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.
You mean the US? The US isn’t fascist. We’ve still got about 48 hours before that.
I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.
during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out
Not really, the infamous “wall” is, at most, a handful of sections
funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east
Fair, however, it will absolutely accelerate under Drump unlike Harris who would have at most kept the status quo as it has been for decades
economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world,
Sanctions against places like Russia, hardly a “socialist movement haven”
overturned a law that granted access to abortions
It was not a law, it was a supreme court ruling that was overturned. Had it been a law, it would in all likelihood be still in effect
I strongly disagree
With reality?
false equivalence
YDI
Tankie is a lazy political slur so your are engaging in bad faith.
i never said tanker, tankie
There you go again
tankie
How long was your Reddit ban ?
13 days
It says so in the post.
Whoosh
Dude, them not engaging with an unfunny quip you made isn’t whoosh. It’s just them politely sparing you from further embarrassment by not drawing attention to your feeble attempt at banter.
