• gmtom@lemmy.world
    121·
    12 天前

    I recently got a ban on .ml for saying that the IS banning people from flying because they called in a bomb threat on an plane is not the same as China banning you from flying because you critisised the government.

  • Telorand@reddthat.com
    102·
    12 天前

    Man, your post has really brought out the CCP shills. It’s fascinating to watch people go, “Nuh-uh! China doesn’t do any of that!”

    • __nobodynowhere@startrek.websiteEnglish
      22·
      12 天前

      I learned a dozen countries are all in on a conspiracy theory in which they pretended China had operated overseas police stations in their respective countries. Fake news!

  • butternuts@lemm.ee
    7·
    11 天前

    Does anyone know what rule 4 is? I was banned from an ml community for that very rule a couple of days ago but have not made a comment anywhere on Lemmy for 9 months.

    My current guess - I upvoted/downvoted the wrong person as that’s about all I do on Lemmy.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      12·
      11 天前

      i forgot but you didn’t actually break that rule, probably….
      something i’ve learned from talking to real life leftists is: all very left online spaces, and i mean all, have been completely fucked over by shills.
      often just completely controlled by them.
      i just got permabanned from lost generation on reddit for absolutely not breaking the rules… they cited a rule, i asked how, then they just muted me from messaging the mods with a message just listing the rules, all of which i agree with….
      it sucks but it’s been this way a very long time….
      basically just cointelpro continuing.
      my guess is you were too genuine and reasonable, so they fuck with you to make you think this is what the left is like, then hopefully you’ll give up and become a capitalist.

    • mkwt@lemmy.world
      6·
      11 天前

      Rule 1 on .ml is “no racism.” In this post, it appears to be “racist” against Chinese. At least from some kind of a point of view.

      • Amon@lemmy.world
        3·
        10 天前

        No, it is against China, not Chinese people.

        “Chinese” is a heavily loaded term, containing nationality, ethnicity, culture and language. In this case it is criticising China the nation, not Chinese people in any sense.

        It is racist to link China the nation to Chinese people, because many people who are ethnically Chinese do not associate with China.

        I know I am about to be downvoted heavily by tankies but just remember that .ml are hypocrites.

  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
    93·
    12 天前

    These threads are great because they are nice tankie block attractors. They can’t help themselves from commenting on their non tank-3 accounts.

  • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    41·
    12 天前

    Lol, I got a similar removal and ban (rule 1, 2*) the other day for replying to someone who mentioned credit ratings as a counterpoint to the attempts to discredit the existence of “social credits” (or whatever actual system exists in China, and it does exist, to keep tabs on their population):

    This right here.

    And the point is that an average American barely knows how those work, or exactly what information the government and or private financial and other companies collect about them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply), in the same way the average Chinese person barely knows just how much surveillance their government is doing on them (it’s a lot) or how much it impacts their daily lives (deeply).

    This post is such tankie bullshit.

    Pretending like only one government does (internal and external) propaganda, or only one government is oppressing and lying to its own people (not to mention people in other countries), or that the average person in any country know, or is willing to admit to themselves, never mind others, and especially never mind people from a country you’ve been propagandised against from birth, the flaws of their own government is not only laughable, and hypocritical, but also massively counterproductive.

    *as you can see, the ban is really for calling OP “tankie bullshit” and *gasp* pointing out that China is bad in the same ways America is bad. Such fragile egos lmfao

  • SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
    2·
    12 天前

    I got banned there last week for saying that lemmy mods are just as pathetic and banhappy as reddit mods

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      5·
      12 天前

      in my experience, they’re a lot worse….
      stuff that would get a comment removed or a note from the mod to chill just gets you an instant permaban here…
      and they’ll ban you for the dumbest shit too… simply discussing china’s human rights abuses that are well documented and publicized is “racism against chinese people” or some dumb shit….
      luckily it’s just the hard hard leftists… the places that are all shills anyway (like he-x-b34r)
      (i just spelled that dumb so it’s harder to search).

      • SoftTeeth@lemmy.world
        3·
        12 天前

        I’ve noticed mods of some instances will lurk and ban users for comments that weren’t even on their instance.

        Some of the mods on blahaj do that while using fake user accounts to sow approval.

        It’s insane what patheticly small amount of power internet janitors will manage to trip on

        • tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world
          2·
          12 天前

          Don’t start with Bahaj, I remember a post some time ago where I saw lots of removed comments so out of curiosity I went through the modlog. People were being banned and comments removed for literally nothing (like, not a slur or x-phobia or anything, just a discussion about OPs topic), ban reasons for example were “you’re not the victim” lol. When I pointed it out in that thread, my comment got removed as well (but I graciously was allowed to not have my account banned). Of course you don’t want to have instagram-esque comments in Lemmy but power tripping mods still suck and the modlog is kinda useless if you cannot revoke decisions

    • Zement@feddit.nl
      6·
      11 天前

      It’s not about the suicide nets as I understand the post…, but your answer would be fitting to the poster.

      The removal of such talking points is strange, especially because similar points are not removed when critical of Western stuff…

      That shouts propaganda

      Edit: I just realized, that’s the Meme sub,… political discussions there (critical of the CCP, even when the meme itself is political, get banned)

    • Dasus@lemmy.world
      1·
      10 天前

      because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

      So that’s what China is, according to you.

      “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

      But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

      The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

      I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          61·
          11 天前

          Well, that apple and foxcon are allowed to harass people until they kill themself is an issue of the state they are doing it in. If China would care about its people it would not allow companies to treat them like they do.

          OP is writing, that no hard questions were asked, like all the questions China wants the world to forget about.

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              5·
              11 天前

              But China encourages those foreign companies (including german VW for example) to produce in China and encourage them to exploit Chinese workers. I see the problem at China not protecting their people but sell them off to big companies.

              And that is what some call communism… 🤦🏻

            • Dasus@lemmy.world
              1·
              10 天前

              because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

              So that’s what China is, according to you.

              “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

              But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

              The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

              I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t. Nananananannana

    • Dasus@lemmy.world
      1·
      10 天前

      because they are so cheap and bloodthirthy they’re wiling to exploit cheap labour

      So that’s what China is, according to you.

      “Cheaper and bloodthirsty, willing to exploit cheap labour”

      But… that exploitation isn’t their responsibility, it’s 100% the fault of Americans?

      The US accounts for like ~16% of Chinese exports.

      I won’t say “good try”, because it just wasn’t.

  • Serinus@lemmy.world
    01·
    12 天前

    It might be a bit repetitive, but I think it’s important to keep the most clear examples here.

  • Hegar@fedia.io
    13·
    12 天前

    I don’t get how suicide nets is a knock on china. They’re making our phones.

    It’s our consumer demand and our company’s price points that are responsible for the conditions in the factories that make our phones.

    • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      12 天前

      It’s their citizens / labor laws.

      Sure an American said “we want 12h shifts 6 days a week with absolutely minimal breaks” (or whatever the specifics are) (and that’s a a terrible request.)

      But the kicker is a Chinese labor official said “yup, sure thing”

    • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
      31·
      12 天前

      So are you saying that in the glorious Chinese workers paradise they don’t set and enforce decent health and safety policies and regulate working conditions and wages for the benefit of their citizens? Paint me amazed!

      • ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        21·
        12 天前

        the glorious Chinese workers paradise

        The scary thing is they genuinely believe this.

        I had responded to a tankie who claimed that China wasn’t an oligarchy by sarcastically asking if they thought the workers control the government, and like 5 different (or are they?) hexbears descended on me to tell me that yes, akshually, they do (and therefore must be the most self loathing workers on the planet, if those are the conditions they inflict on themselves, and curiously keep “electing” the same authoritarian, billionaire, dictator to be at the top of their classless, moneyless, stateless society). 🤦‍♀️

        E: on a side note since I’ve got you here and you’re an admin, I thought this instance was defederated from hex, and I have them on my personal blocked instance list, should I still be seeing their users?

        • Unruffled [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
          41·
          12 天前

          You can still come across their users if they post in a community external to Hexbear, even if you have instance blocked them. Our instance actually isn’t defederated from Hexbear fyi. They mostly leave us in peace nowadays though, so unless you go looking for a fight on their instance, you’re unlikely to run into problems with them.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      21·
      12 天前

      because the Chinese public isn’t supposed to know about it… plus people might demand more ethically produced phones if they were more aware.

  • redrum@lemmy.ml
    46·
    12 天前

    YDI.

    The .ml policy against bigotry --including parroting western anti-chinese propaganda, that liberals throw ad nauseam there-- has been a consistent policy over time of that instance.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      73·
      12 天前

      seeing that you’re from lemmy.ml, stfu….

      but, it’s not propaganda, it proven facts… there are photos and leaked surveillance videos, it’s very real.
      it’s not “bigotry”, which is such a laughable claim… i love chinese people and DON’T want them to suffer… it’s the absolute opposite of bigotry

      • redrum@lemmy.ml
        36·
        12 天前

        I strongly disagree.

        But, by example, if l (a .ml and lemmyngrad user) go to a Ukrainian instance with a pro-western narrative to tell that they are backing and are backed by fascism, as other hundreds others had done before, I would deserve a ban.

        • catloaf@lemm.eeEnglish
          62·
          12 天前

          You mean the US? The US isn’t fascist. We’ve still got about 48 hours before that.

          • Pili@lemmy.ml
            15·
            12 天前

            I mean, during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out, funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east, enacted economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world, overturned a law that granted access to abortions… I could continue, but I think that’s enough to consider the USA fascist already.

            • cm0002@lemmy.world
              4·
              12 天前

              during the past 4 years, you guys have been building a giant wall to keep brown people out

              Not really, the infamous “wall” is, at most, a handful of sections

              funded a genocide to maintain a white ethno state in the middle east

              Fair, however, it will absolutely accelerate under Drump unlike Harris who would have at most kept the status quo as it has been for decades

              economical sanctions to try to suffocate socialist movements around the world,

              Sanctions against places like Russia, hardly a “socialist movement haven”

              overturned a law that granted access to abortions

              It was not a law, it was a supreme court ruling that was overturned. Had it been a law, it would in all likelihood be still in effect

  • zante@slrpnk.netEnglish
    36·
    12 天前

    YDI

    Tankie is a lazy political slur so your are engaging in bad faith.