Exclusive: Luigi's Manifesto
www.kenklippenstein.com
Read the manifesto the media refused to publish

Kenny Klipz has the goods. This is the real thing, most likely.

BTW it’s not behind paywall so do our guy some good and give him some traffic for the scoop.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9·
    14 hours ago

    Even if this is all bullshit fed activity to trick people into thinking they found the right guy I’m gonna suggest that that stop releasing shit to the media that makes this guy look good and based every time someone tries to say “uhhhh guys he’s a lib”

    • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      20 hours ago

      Even if this is all bullshit removed activity to trick people into thinking they found the right guy

      On hexbear that word is censored, its a slang word for the CIA that starts with G(I thought anyway), I didn’t know it was problematic does anyone know why it’s on the list? I’d love to know but also will not bother to google it

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        14 hours ago

        Oh I didn’t realise where it came from

        The term originates from schizophrenic computer programmer Terry Davis, who claimed in 2017 that “CIA n*****s glow in the dark” in a video. Glowposting is also used to refer to agents who post bait content.

        Yeah I’ll avoid using that one in the future 😶

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    112·
    2 days ago

    damn it’s short. 262 words. definitely one of the reasons they are not posting it because anyone would read it and it isn’t as crazy or wild as I thought.

    the guy is pissed, he identifies the problem, and what makes it intractable at this point. that is not something power wants spread around, because it’s easy to read and digest.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      120·
      2 days ago

      The dude might be brainwormed but he carried out an action of class war and his stated reasons are literally class war.

      He’s our guy. I don’t care whether people found some history of him being suckered into right wing culture war bullshit. Yeah and? The entire working class is deliberately divided along those lines to prevent people from uniting behind this shit.

      If you’re waging class war you’re on my fucking team, the rest of the shit can be sorted out. Hitlerites can fuck off because they’re not waging class war for the proles they’re waging it for the protection of the bourgeoisie. But this dude is not a Hitlerite.

      • godlessworm [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        35·
        2 days ago

        100%, the class solidarity seen after what he did has momentum and it needs to keep going. that starts with looking passed whatever weird shit this dude thought about jacking off. he as far as i could tell, wasn’t a hateful or bigoted person or anything like that. i can look passed basically anything else.

      • Ericthescruffy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        30·
        2 days ago

        Good post. He’s not the hero we wanted or even the one we deserved…but he is the one we have and he has my critical support. Its very different of course but in some ways I’m reminded of Julian Assange and the importance of not missing the forest for the trees.

      • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        331·
        2 days ago

        Good post, though I think we should remain critical of his tactics. Mercin CEO’s might get people to recognize each other, but it’s never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing. I don’t want dead CEO’s, I want a different system that obviates them entirely.

        • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
          65·
          2 days ago

          I don’t want dead CEO’s

          I-was-saying

          but it’s never going to lead to systemic change that can only be achieved by organizing

          No matter how much you organize, you’re gonna have to off the CEOs at some point. They’re not gonna hand over the reins peacefully and they are actively fighting against all materially significant “organising”. Had Jeff Bezos been shot while Amazon was trying to crush unions, I am sure organising would become easier.

          • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            20·
            2 days ago

            As an after effect, sure my Bureaucrats. I never said anything about nonviolence.

            It’s not the the end we desire. I think the distinction between ends and means is useful here (even if it’s often stupid). Our goal is not to kill CEO’s, and as a counterfactual (that would probably never happen), a CEO willing to surrender their company/wealth to employees or liquidate their for-profit insurance should not be killed, since they would not stand between us and our real goal/end.

            • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
              18·
              2 days ago

              I wish to live in a just and righteous society and as such part of my goal is that certain people see justice. A CEO giving up their company makes them no longer a CEO and thus out of the discussion. I do not believe in turning the other cheek. I won’t say more because it’s gonna amount to fedposting and that’s bad.

              As an after effect, sure my Bureaucrats. I never said anything about nonviolence.

              You do not have to say the specific words to communicate their intent.

              • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
                10·
                2 days ago

                I think my posting makes it pretty clear I believe violence will be necessary in the ultimate transformation of society from the current mode of production to a more just one.

                I just think that violence should be wielded strategically and by a mass movement, not by individual actors. I think even in a communistic state, violence should only be exercised in a collective fashion, never by an individual.

                It is due to this commitment to violence exercised by many wills acting in concert that I reject the killing of individual CEO’s by assassins. Because violence (not mere murder) and the authority to wield it stems from collective will.

                Anything else arguing the individual authorized to murder is simply Nietzschean ubermensch shit, and we should generally reject it. Self-defense presents edge cases, and one might argue there’s a kind of “self-defense” in this circumstance if one were so inclined, but an individual acting in self-defense won’t ever change the system, so I think a point still stands here.

                • propter_hog [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  17·
                  2 days ago

                  Ok, but, you can’t deny the screaming voices of the proletariat right now in the wake of “the killing of individual CEO’s by assassins”. I mean, hell, we’ve got boomer white guys in Texas holding up DDD signs.

                • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  11·
                  2 days ago

                  I think even in a communistic state, violence should only be exercised in a collective fashion, never by an individual.

                  I think in a communist society it should without a doubt be wielded in a collective fashion.

                  It is due to this commitment to violence exercised by many wills acting in concert that I reject the killing of individual CEO’s by assassins.

                  We don’t live in a time where many wills are able to act in concert, for many reasons. The individual liquidation of CEOs is a net benefit, propaganda of the deed and all that.

            • ziggurter [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              9·
              2 days ago

              a CEO willing to surrender their company/wealth to employees or liquidate their for-profit insurance should not be killed

              Those who would do this already have. Unless it’s at gunpoint. We do not have the capacity to demand it at gunpoint without being absolutely crushed at this point. There is no surrender option until leftist movements get much, MUCH stronger. Until then, there’s no point crying over the deaths of the people who are slaughtering us from the boardrooms. This was an act of community defense.

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          23·
          2 days ago

          but it’s never going to lead to systemic change

          I think if it happened enough you’d get either gun control or healthcare. Assuming people are doing it with homemade weapons then it’d have to be a healthcare reform solution but I’d guess they’d try gun control first (then someone gets shot over it and they realise they can’t).

          Not system change though, you’re correct there.

          • propter_hog [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            13·
            2 days ago

            I was thinking about that too, and it’s fucking hilarious that now it’s a fully republican-led system and they’re faced with either doing gun control or doing healthcare

          • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            10·
            2 days ago

            Oh yeah, we might get some reactionary (in the quite literal sense) legislation that might be “good” in certain respects.

            However, we would likely not abolish the profit motive through CEO assassinations.

        • ziggurter [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          2 days ago

          The tactic of (essentially?) turning himself in (if accurate, of course) was certainly pretty stupid and worth criticizing.

          But propaganda of the deed is good. Dead CEOs is a way to move toward that different system. Cut away the pretense that this is not a violent system, or that the opposition to it cannot be violent.

        • Munrock ☭@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          10·
          2 days ago

          Mercin CEO’s might get people to recognize each other, but it’s never going to lead to systemic change

          Depends how many, to be fair. Of course it should be zero because murder is bad and wrong.

        • godlessworm [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          2 days ago

          he didn’t get systemic change, but if you asked me if i’d rather this CEO be dead or alive after what he’s done it’s not even a question, i want him dead just like he killed all those other people. him being gone alone is a good deed done. will it change anything? no. he’s gonna be replaced if he hasn’t already been. did he get what he deserved? we all agree he did, so that’s a good thing.

      • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        17·
        2 days ago

        I think things are going to polarize and start to sort themselves out. Look at how the hogs are responding to the right wing grifters - Ben Shapenis’ followers are turning on him.

        Edit: please note, all of my recent predictions have been wrong.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      32·
      2 days ago

      262 words.

      actually at the end he’s like “and thats why its actually really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really cool to kill ceos”

  • godlessworm [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    76·
    2 days ago

    to the feds, i’ll keep this short, you guys are really cool. you all have really large penises and your wives aren’t cheating on you. you, the feds, aren’t the ones writing this manifesto, i am. i killed that guy and i am guilty. he was alive, i used a gun and shot him, and he is no longer alive. i did that with my hands. the same hands i am using to write this note. the note clarifying i am guilty.

  • bumpusoot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    77·
    2 days ago

    This still seems pretty not real. This is basically a note saying “I did it, it was me and only me and the proof is I own a computer (I work in engineering so you won’t find any “real” evidence). I did it because I hate United. Anyway I know nothing, have no message to send, and couldn’t possibly write more bye now”

    Even if this really came from the police, if you wanted to convict somebody with very little effort, this would be the perfect evidence to “find”. That in reality makes no sense to actually write.

    • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      32·
      2 days ago

      The only situation would be if luigi is also in on it lol the only thing he disputed was the 10k in cash and that his backpack was waterproof. Not a “Faraday cage” lol

      • sempersigh [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        35·
        2 days ago

        I think people are making outrageous overestimations of how competent the NYPD is. The idea that they essentially hired some deep state actor to pretend to be the guy to cover their asses while branching the conspiracy outside of state lines and fooling another department is so ludicrous to me like if they were gonna do that they would at least wait another month or two in case they find the real guy.

        I think this whole thing is fun but the grasping at straws is pretty wild to me like the eyebrow thing was already refuted perhaps we just want the guy to be our Lenin and we’re mad that he’s actually just a techbro weirdo?

        Lots of magical thinking going on IMO but I would be very hyped if I’m wrong about this

        • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          17·
          2 days ago

          Let us have our HexAnon fun for once, OK?

          Now if you’ll excuse me, I still have dozens of internet articles about digital compression that I have to read tonight to prove that the eyebrows were not the same!

        • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          19·
          2 days ago

          I agree lol. Like if this was a setup then wtf does luigi get out of this, because he would clearly be in on it.

          Ultimately he’s a weird guy who did a cool thing. I wish people wouldn’t focus so much on him and instead focus on the discourse and environment it created. I don’t really care what he thinks, people are rabid for this to happen. And that’s good. It’s pretty clear this is the guy who did it and that’s fine, on to the next one

            • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              4·
              2 days ago

              Yup. Regardless of dude it has clearly done a good bit of work in letting people realize they can do things like openly advocate for a health insurance CEOs death. I doubt these people would have explicitly reprimanded someone for mentioning it before, but people just openly screaming about it now. A good environment!

      • ferristriangle [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        18·
        2 days ago

        Regarding the “he only disputed the cash” bit:

        My understanding is that this isn’t the murder trial, so none of the other items would have been brought up because they aren’t relevant to the hearing. The only thing this hearing was for is whether he should be held behind bars and for how long, and the cash was relevant to make that determination because it was being argued that the cash (and in particular the fact that part of it was foreign currency) indicates that he’s a flight risk and is trying to flee the country. That was being used as the basis for asking the judge to rule that he should be held without bail pending trial.

        This wouldn’t be the time or place for disputing the facts of the case because there is no case at this moment. No trial has occurred, and this courtroom doesn’t even have jurisdiction to hold a trial for this case. The New York prosecutors office would need to make a request for extradition and he would need to be tried in a New York court.

        So the fact that he only disputed the cash doesn’t necessarily mean he is admitting the rest belonged to him. It’s just as likely that the cash is the only thing that was disputed because it was the only thing that was presented as being relevant to make a decision regarding bail, and the other items weren’t commented on because they weren’t relevant to the matter being discussed.

        If someone has more knowledge on everything that was presented in court and can comment further on the matter, feel free to correct me!

      • Ericthescruffy [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        8·
        2 days ago

        To be clear: the only thing being reported on is that he disputed the 10k in cash and his backpack. I’m increasingly starting to think this isn’t a frame up job but afaik we have no idea what he said or did not say about the manifesto or the gun…or whether or not he was even questioned about those things in the first place.

    • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      2 days ago

      I mostly agree with you, but on the other hand this reads like something I would write if I didn’t trust myself to properly intellectually represent my beliefs. Very “I’m a dummy but this was the right thing to do. Go read a book about it”

  • bdonvrAEnglish
    37·
    2 days ago

    Not a manifesto, more a confession letter.

    Not a diss, but I think especially with the words on the casings the act was enough of a manifesto.

    I’m glad to see that fake one sucking off the constitution as the pinnacle of human rights was fake tho

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
    59·
    2 days ago

    To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.

    brainworms if I hadn’t seen his Twitter already Id have a hard time believing you could get to the point of gunning down a CEO and still respect the feds

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      65·
      2 days ago

      His family deaths and his own surgery give him a personal experience with the insurance issues that have probably driven this. I can see “the feds are good” and “I despise and want to kill health insurance CEOs” co-existing if you haven’t read other theory. The main principle of his radicalisation is his lived experience, not books, so he has all the brain worms but the material conditions have still driven him to this.

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      2 days ago

      So we know he was very much not a liberal (Jreg type of guy, every extreme at once) but it strikes me as a liberal thing to say. Checks and balances, maybe he likes that the feds track down corruption (lol)?

  • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    62·
    2 days ago

    this is a fed excercisse in creative writing…

    fedposting

    how are you all falling for this shit ?

    even prepares that they Dont have much evidence on his computer : “The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there”

    if i where the Jury i would not be convinced . looks all to plannted … why does he suddenly wants to be caught ?

    • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      2 days ago

      “Also feds I actually think you’re super cool and I bet you all fuck a lot especially Jerry Smith, who is employed in the public relations department of the FBI he looks like he has a monster dong”

      • propter_hog [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        22·
        2 days ago

        By the way this was not written by Jerry Smith I just think he’s a super cool guy and Lisa in accounting would be stupid for not going out with him.

    • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      331·
      2 days ago

      I mean, if it is, it’s at least “real” in the sense as the one that feds have had and are leaking to the media (versus the forgery ppl were talking about the past day or two).

      Ken has good sources and is generally reliable, plus this echoes stuff that’s been said by the outlets selectively leaking bits.

      If you want to assume it’s fed, that’s on you (i’m ambivalent if this is a patsy situation or not myself), but this is the “manifesto” in the sense of the thing that is alleged to have been on him. I trust Ken that far at least.

      • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        27·
        2 days ago

        Edit : Sorry , did read it wrong

        the Super escapist went , dressed with his murder cloths and with his murder Weapon, into the Mc donald, he also Wrote a Manifest that explainse the lack of evidence on his computer , and in which he thanked us the cops ,as Cops are Awsome! , for their valuable service to the community"

        fedposting

        • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          14·
          2 days ago

          Yeah to clarify: I can totally buy it’s a fed fabrication, but even so, it is the “real” manifesto that we’re going to get. I’m not fully persuaded it’s a forgery or not - we could read the cop praise as typical american brainworms (one too many SVU’s) but it could also be the-pigs madlibs.

          • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            18·
            2 days ago

            when somebody kills a royal price , the King will hang somebody on the Market square. And before he will make him “uninspiring”.

            If you are "undecided " if this is real or fake , your actualy violating a basic prinicple of justice . the “Guilty” until proven innoncent … and you help therefore to frame him guilty and therefore allready half way where they want you.

            • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
              12·
              2 days ago

              Even if it’s a setup we should engage with what’s out there, rather than just yelling “wake up sheeple.” Especially because for many libs this will be persuasive, and we should use the “manifesto” and events such as they are to further our ends.

              I’m not fully convinced he’s not a patsy, but until more evidence that he is a patsy arises, we need to engage the libs where they are rather than turn them off with “it’s all a setup don’t you see!” I get your skepticism comrade, but I also just don’t see the value in rejecting this outright - if it’s what’s going to be discussed as the shooter’s manifesto, we should reckon with it (even if we might harbor suspicions of fed meddling).

              • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                11·
                2 days ago

                I’m not fully convinced he’s not a patsy

                why would you say such a thing , why not have not more responsibility …

                if he is : He clearly isnt

                if he isnt : he clearly isnt as well and you help the State murder some random fuck to demonstrate its power … why not leave the “everything is entertaiment” sphere for a moment .

                Your social duty is to scream from every ucking rooftop that he is a Patsy set up. Nothing else .

                • AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  5·
                  2 days ago

                  What if he makes definitive statements that yes it was him and he doesn’t regret it? Is he then an asset who did this on behalf of an alphabet org?

                  I also doubt the security footage looks anything like this guy, and I think its bizzarre as fuck that he had all the evidence on him still hundreds of miles and days away considering how effective the adjuster seemed to be on the day of the attack and those that followed, but like, if he starts saying it was him and shit I don’t have much of a reason to disbelieve

                  It could really be as simple as he planned to make a clean getaway but then realized he was famous and beloved and thought hey maybe I can say some stuff during my trial to make a bigger difference

                  I’m still sus about all this until further notice, but its by no means guaranteed

            • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              Most people actually are uninspiring. Most Americans do support the cops. It’s perfectly normal for someone to hate this particular CEO but lack the theory to see the larger class struggle.

              You might be right but I think you’re not seeing the equal possibility that it is exactly as reported.

    • Fox [he/him]@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
      25·
      2 days ago

      I’ve been saying since yesterday that I don’t believe he’s the real shooter. This is all far too convenient lol and he looks fuck all like the guy(s) in the CCTV footage to me.

        • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
          7·
          2 days ago

          And how do we know the guy in this picture is The Guy? Cuz he was wearing the same coat in the same block? There are around 1400 people per block in Manhattan what are the odds of 2 of them wearing the same coat?

          • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
            17·
            2 days ago

            Some of it could be angle, but yeah chin seems longer and as if it has a sharper cut. Nose seems more rounded too.


            This

            Compared to

            Lighting, angles, even picture fidelity can do a lot to change the structure of a face, not to mention lenses (look at your face on a phone cam compared to a camera with a lens that’s more than a micrometer away from the shutter) so though I agree the chin looks off… in almost all pictures, it’s not at all impossibe. The teeth seem different for me and no lens will make a tooth gap where there isn’t one, but that could also just be a shadow or a weird pixel. The eyebrows too. I’d love to see the whole security cam footage of him revealing his face in that hostel. Also his nose seems different.

            • dustbunnies [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              10·
              2 days ago

              not trying to argue whether this is/isn’t the dude, I’ve had questions about the eyebrows etc too, but

              no lens will make a tooth gap where there isn’t one

              I have unfortunate personal experience to the contrary. I do not have a gap between my front teeth irl, but I have an old driver’s license photo from my early 20s that makes it look like you could put two quarters between them.

              it was so bad, I said I lost it and paid to do the whole process over again just to get a new picture done, I could not be taking that out to the bars with me 💀 but it was so funny that I kept it and genuinely enjoy showing it off. it’s ridiculous, idk how tf the lighting made that happen, but it did 🤷

              if there were any way to post it without doxxing myself, I would, because it is genuinely that hilariously bad.

            • Fox [he/him]@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
              5·
              2 days ago

              The nose is definitely different imo. Even in the other picture of the hostel guy the nose doesn’t look exactly the same. Looking at the picture again the hostel guy seems to have much thicker eyelashes than Luigi.

            • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              His nose looks distinctively the same to me. It has a somewhat unique break about 2/3 from the top that is present in all photos. Plus if you look at the hair pattern of his eyebrows against his nose, I see it in the CCTV photo too.

              • Bureaucrat [pup/pup's, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
                1·
                2 days ago

                I see the same eyebrow pattern too, but I see the nose in CCTV photo as rounded, whereas Luigi has a slight tilt/sharper angle, but it’s all just pixels and wishful thinking really. I’m not gonna look more at the italian thirst trap assassin himbo