To all full-grown hexbears, NO DUNKING IN MY THREAD…ONLY TEACH, criminal scum who violate my Soviet will be banned three days and called a doo doo head…you have been warned

  • Kaplya@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    This is probably not an answer, and certainly not a defense of atrocities, but I’d like to provoke you a little by putting you in the shoes of the 1930s USSR:

    It hasn’t even been a decade since the end of a brutal Civil War, during which the world’s first newly formed socialist state was invaded by a dozen of Western imperialist powers, and ended with a heavy toll on human lives and the destruction of huge parts of the economy.

    A new form of reactionary force - fascism, embodying the most brutal form of reactionary violence, had just crushed the revolutionary movement in Italy, and is spreading across Europe. Hitler had just been made the leader of Germany, and is heavily militarizing and preparing to execute an expansionist doctrine.

    War is coming. An imperialist war that threatens to be far bloodier than the Great War itself not even two decades ago, is now painting the world’s first socialist state as its target. You pleaded with the European powers to take this fascist threat seriously, but was turned down by every single one of them, who then proceeded to form military and economic alliance with Nazi Germany. It became clear to you that the anti-communist imperialist powers are dead set on destroying the Soviet Union. It should have been obvious.

    A war is coming, and your country is still 50-100 years behind the Western capitalist powers. It was barely industrialized, and there simply isn’t enough productive capacity to match the output of the Western powers. The fate of the world’s first socialist state is in peril - if the Soviet Union is crushed, then all hopes would be lost. Reactionary forces would have won. This has gone beyond the survival of the nation - this is the ultimate clash between ideologies, and the survival of socialist ideas hinges upon the survival of the Soviet Union itself.

    You don’t know when the war would come. Would it be in 5 years? 10 years? There is no time to waste. There is only one way out: brutal industrialization. “We are 50-100 years behind the capitalist powers, and we must make do of that in 10 years” - Stalin in 1930. This proved to be prophetic, because in exactly 10 years, Nazi Germany would launch its invasion against the Soviet Union that would end with the perishing of 27 million lives of the Soviet people.

    A brutal industrialization must take place before the worst comes for us! It must not be derailed! Anyone who threatens to derail the industrialization process also threatens the survival of the nation itself. It is a time of confusion and uncertainty. You cannot know for sure who might be the saboteurs, the naysayers, the delinquents who will drag us down and set us back. There is no time for that. Would you risk having millions of lives killed in a war because you’re not sure if a few managers are innocent? There is no time to tell, and no way to know for certain.

    You have to make the choice. Now. And your choice will determine whether fascism destroys an entire nation and leads to the final victory of the reactionary forces.

    What would you do?

    There is certainly survivorship bias because all the socialist states that had perished have merely become a footnote, that leftists lament over: “how unfortunate”. Allende in Chile tried to be democratic with his socialism, and what he invited instead was the most brutal form of fascist violence that murdered hundreds of thousands of people, and the most brutal form of economic exploitation known as neoliberalism, the effects of which had destroyed millions of families and its devastation still lingers to this day in Latin America.

    It is easy to say, “if I had been in charge, I would certainly have done it better.” But that’s with the power of hindsight. But let’s say you have just achieved a socialist revolution in your country, how would you act and prepare for the coming onslaught of the counter-revolutionaries? How far are you willing to go to defend the survival of the revolution?

    In a time of confusion, uncertainty, social upheaval, radical transformation of the society, the emotions, with all the flux of information that may or may not be trustworthy, if you were to make decisions which will determine the survival or the demise of an entire nation, could you really have done better?

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      11 months ago

      I think this comment puts into context how important defending the revolution is and why it is important for the revolution to take existing institutions and repurpose them in service of the revolution. (Read military in this particular context)

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      11 months ago

      I’m not saying I could have necessarily done better and I understand the historical and material conditions the Soviet Union was in before and even during WW2. It deserves our eternal respect and gratitude for what it accomplished by defeating fascism for us all to be able to continue to live. Revolutions need to be defended but what the Soviet Union and the Red Army did went beyond all expectations and as a result has reserved its place among the greatest nations of all time.

      But, that being said, that wasn’t my question and yet is exactly why it’s so difficult to ask and learn about. This is why I tried to immediately make reassurances about my question and position on Soviet Union.

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        11 months ago

        I wrote all that and just realized that I misread your initial post lol. Anyway I’m leaving the comment up in case people are interested.

        We do know that there are fabrications in Khrushchev’s denunciation of Stalin at the XX Congress, but to really tell apart truth from fiction would be very difficult given how many decades it had been and how much of the official documents had been “revised” or expelled to demonize Stalin.

        You may be interested in reading Losurdo’s Stalin biography (a new English translation has just been released and I believe it’s free) that might address some of your questions.

        • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          Hahaha No worries at all. I appreciate you being honest about it and not doubling down, at least. Thank you for that!

          And, yeah, it makes sense it’s difficult to know at this point given everything. I’ll check out that biography. Thanks!