What really makes me angry is that media is full of some millionaires drowning in a rattle can steered with a 30$ Logitech controller while there are 100s of people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea every week because they are illegally pushed back by authorities and media is silent about it…
They are forced out of their countries. I get your opinion if it is about young people just looking for work. This is also happening. But there are mothers and babies and kids among those people. They don’t go onto a rubber boat for fun.
I bet you wouldn’t care about laws if the live of your family is in danger.
And even if it is illegal, can you explain how it is ok to push them back into the water and let them drown? Mothers and their kids?
If this is like it is in the US, which I suspect it is, they often don’t know it is illegal. They paid everything they had to a group that promised them legal status and a safe journey. It’s gangs running these operations.
Usually, because they know a second language, but the first safe country they pass through doesn’t use that language, or because they’ve got a relative living legally in a different country that they think can help them.
That doesn’t change the fact that international law tells them to seek the first safe country. If you go further you are an illegal immigrant, and over the last 8 or so years I lost absolutely all of my empathy towards those people.
or because they’ve got a relative living legally in a different country that they think can help them.
Ever tried to get a visa? It takes a lot of time and money, and people in these situations have neither.
I’ve never heard of any international law that states as such. A quick search listed the agreements between the US and Canada, as well as the Dublin III agreement in the EU, both of which have exceptions for family members, but neither of these are all-encompassing international laws or would prohibit what’s being described here.
Not informed on this particular instance but 90% of illegal immigration to western countries happens because the US, UK, France, or etc, fucked up the migrants’ origin country one way or another. A perfect example of this is the US: most immigrants are from places fucked up by either the US overthrowing any left-wing Latin American government, or by awful US drug policy. Most nations not only have a moral responsibility to migrants as fellow humans, but they are usually directly responsible for those migrants wanting to leave their homelands to begin with.
The master of a ship at sea as the moral and legal obligation to assist a ship in distress, if they can. There’s no skirting that obligation by assessing the legality of the ship’s planned path.
But maybe we should also stop rescuing people in house fires, as they might be burglars?
They are forced out of their countries. I get your opinion if it is about young people just looking for work. This is also happening. But there are mothers and babies and kids among those people. They don’t go onto a rubber boat for fun.
I bet you wouldn’t care about laws if the live of your family is in danger.
And even if it is illegal, can you explain how it is ok to push them back into the water and let them drown? Mothers and their kids?
Has to do more with end user. People want the mystery: are they alive, are they dead, did they implode, are they floating on the surface some where. If they are alive there’s a million questions about it. It’s just the way of the beast.
I also think it has to do with proximity - this happened close to “home”.
People are also stupid, some of the questions they were asking and stating that it’s a conspiracy because if the titanic is still whole how did a sub implode because they arent sure how a pressurized chamber works is astounding.
To follow that, they probably don’t know where Greece is.
There has been a lot of coverage, yes, but media didn’t make as much noise… the stories about migrants drowning was soon banned to page 7-13 on local newspapers… while this millionaire drama is all over the media for days now…
That kinda makes sense though, since there was no ongoing rescue/recovery operation to talk about. There’s only so many articles you can write about a bunch of people drowning.
Oh, you could write a lot. About the organization that pushed the people back into the water. About the politicians that sanctioned this. About the lives of those people who drowned. About the process of drowning. You can pretty much write a book about this. But no. It’s immigrants, that’s normal right?
Fair enough, but I would argue that a lot of these things are more general and not necessarily specific to this incident itself, so they are not really breaking news in that sense.
What really makes me angry is that media is full of some millionaires drowning in a rattle can steered with a 30$ Logitech controller while there are 100s of people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea every week because they are illegally pushed back by authorities and media is silent about it…
They are illegaly coming too. Also media is silent about this? It is the only thing they talk about.
They are forced out of their countries. I get your opinion if it is about young people just looking for work. This is also happening. But there are mothers and babies and kids among those people. They don’t go onto a rubber boat for fun. I bet you wouldn’t care about laws if the live of your family is in danger. And even if it is illegal, can you explain how it is ok to push them back into the water and let them drown? Mothers and their kids?
What prevents them from seeking safety in the first safe country? Egypt etc, there are no civil wars there
If this is like it is in the US, which I suspect it is, they often don’t know it is illegal. They paid everything they had to a group that promised them legal status and a safe journey. It’s gangs running these operations.
And by helping them we only help these pirates.
Not likely. The pirates probably aren’t on the boat, only expendable mules. Once the victims are on the boat they have their cash.
Usually, because they know a second language, but the first safe country they pass through doesn’t use that language, or because they’ve got a relative living legally in a different country that they think can help them.
That doesn’t change the fact that international law tells them to seek the first safe country. If you go further you are an illegal immigrant, and over the last 8 or so years I lost absolutely all of my empathy towards those people.
Then get a visa and go the legal way.
Ever tried to get a visa? It takes a lot of time and money, and people in these situations have neither.
I’ve never heard of any international law that states as such. A quick search listed the agreements between the US and Canada, as well as the Dublin III agreement in the EU, both of which have exceptions for family members, but neither of these are all-encompassing international laws or would prohibit what’s being described here.
Not informed on this particular instance but 90% of illegal immigration to western countries happens because the US, UK, France, or etc, fucked up the migrants’ origin country one way or another. A perfect example of this is the US: most immigrants are from places fucked up by either the US overthrowing any left-wing Latin American government, or by awful US drug policy. Most nations not only have a moral responsibility to migrants as fellow humans, but they are usually directly responsible for those migrants wanting to leave their homelands to begin with.
The master of a ship at sea as the moral and legal obligation to assist a ship in distress, if they can. There’s no skirting that obligation by assessing the legality of the ship’s planned path.
But maybe we should also stop rescuing people in house fires, as they might be burglars?
They are forced out of their countries. I get your opinion if it is about young people just looking for work. This is also happening. But there are mothers and babies and kids among those people. They don’t go onto a rubber boat for fun. I bet you wouldn’t care about laws if the live of your family is in danger. And even if it is illegal, can you explain how it is ok to push them back into the water and let them drown? Mothers and their kids?
What do you mean, the media is silent about this? There’s tons of articles about that exact thing.
But for the last 4 days the very top of every newsanchors’ headline was something else. Probably that’s what he means.
Has to do more with end user. People want the mystery: are they alive, are they dead, did they implode, are they floating on the surface some where. If they are alive there’s a million questions about it. It’s just the way of the beast.
I also think it has to do with proximity - this happened close to “home”.
People are also stupid, some of the questions they were asking and stating that it’s a conspiracy because if the titanic is still whole how did a sub implode because they arent sure how a pressurized chamber works is astounding.
To follow that, they probably don’t know where Greece is.
Exactly.
There has been a lot of coverage, yes, but media didn’t make as much noise… the stories about migrants drowning was soon banned to page 7-13 on local newspapers… while this millionaire drama is all over the media for days now…
That kinda makes sense though, since there was no ongoing rescue/recovery operation to talk about. There’s only so many articles you can write about a bunch of people drowning.
Oh, you could write a lot. About the organization that pushed the people back into the water. About the politicians that sanctioned this. About the lives of those people who drowned. About the process of drowning. You can pretty much write a book about this. But no. It’s immigrants, that’s normal right?
Fair enough, but I would argue that a lot of these things are more general and not necessarily specific to this incident itself, so they are not really breaking news in that sense.
Billionaires, huuuuuuuge difference in wealth even if it’s only a letter apart
A million seconds is 11 eleven days, a billion seconds is 31 years
Always remember that difference to have a filling of how filthy rich billionaires are
I had never heard this one before, and it seems like a fantastic way to explain it to family members
My favourite version of this is “the difference between a million and a billion is about a billion”
Search and rescue with hopes they can be found vs people already dead will win in media 10 out of 10 times.
You can blame lionardo dicaprio
I think very few care about the money they had