This is probably a good opportunity to promote the Lemmy communitiy for LibreWolf: [email protected]
No, because I haven’t used mainline Firefox in years.
I’m pretty happy with LibreWolf on desktop and IronFox (available on Accrescent btw!) on Android (GrapheneOS)Unfortunately it’s still much less secure than Chromium, but I want and need a proper adblocker to maintain my freedom online. And I’m definitely not using Brave…
The only kinda usable Chromium browsers are Ungoogled Chromium and Trivalent. I think I might try building Trivalent on macOS at some point. Maybe also gonna apply some patches from Thorium, as long as they don’t compromise security.
Any thoughts on Vivaldi?
I use Waterfox as my primary and Vivaldi as my secondary browser for when a site just really wants a Chromium based browser…it’s great, Chrome minus Google, plus a few nice extras. For those old enough to remember when Opera was a popular alternative browser (before getting bought up and turned to garbage) – Vivaldi is from the guy who made Opera.
Well it’s proprietary and in my opinion extremely bloated.
No thoughts on privacy, but I have been using Vivaldi for many years now and it’s good. Pretty customizable if that’s your thing.
No, if I read that correctly the terms do not apply to me as I don’t use the “Executable Code version of Firefox”.
Yep. I’ve switched to Waterfox, but I need a browser for my phone(I run iOS, yes I know), any suggestions?
Brave is unfortunately still the best browser on iOS when it comes to privacy. I absolutely despise of the company and especially their homophobic CEO, but there aren’t better alternatives available right now.
Probably Ironfox
It seems like that’s Android only?
Yeah sorry, don’t know about Iphones
I’ve been using gnome web for a bit
Nope.
Not that I don’t think it’s a dumb move from Mozilla, but the options right now are:
- Stay with Firefox
- Move to a Firefox-based browser
Especially since I use Mozilla’s services I’m sorta in their ecosystem right now. Maybe once I’ve moved passwords off I can consider moving, but even then on Android the only browser that supports uBlock is Firefox afaik, which makes it my YouTube client of choice.
you don’t need to move to a non-firefox based browser. Honestly what would you move to, chromium?
a password manager is better.
100% recommend moving off firefox’s password manager, as it’s generally much more insecure than something like Bitwarden
I gotta set up something on my home server fr
Ideally, but bitwarden is a great in between solution, you can always export everything later to your self hosted solution of choice.
VaultWarden, selfhost bitwarden server
I’m mainly trying to work out how to get off windows.
Nice. I’ve been there, and changing just a bit at a time has added up to my computing now being in a state I’m much happier with.
Yep, switched tot waterfox…
I still don’t see Mozilla as a bad actor, especially in comparison with the villany that is google and microsoft. It’s still a great alternative for privacy newbies and average users, although I personally made the switch to librewolf (desktop) and iceraven (mobile) a while ago. Both being forks of firefox, development for actual firefox is essential for either of these to survive, so Mozilla still has my support albeit indirectly
Mozilla’s only reason of existence right now is so that Google can skirt an antitrust case.
Edit: to be clear, that in itself makes it a bad actor.
i have ironfox on android, and you can use alternative to google play, apparently google has secretely downloaded an app" which scans your phones and sends it to google.
Librewolf / IronFox for me, Mozilla can fuck right off with their cloud services, added value and hunger for telemetry. Their 2% userbase is about to shrink even further.
I’ve been using Firefox since it was Netscape, and I’m ‘concerned’ but not going anywhere yet.
Yeah, same here… I’m cautiously worried, but more for other things that have happened than these last changes.
Exactly the same situation here. I’ll wait for a while and see what happens.
Already switched to Zen on PC and Fennec on Android.
Yes.
Short term – I’ll probably be moving to LibreWolf, most likely. I’m planning to spend a good chunk of time this weekend reviewing what exactly their fork does. I’ve read their self-description already – and like it – but I want to look through the code and try to build it myself before I start depending on it.
Long term – I’ll be keeping my eye on Servo and Ladybird.
Is there anything in the new ToS that’s even bad? Like, there are lots of people breathlessly ranting about how privacy is dead because Mozilla mentioned the existence of third parties and gibberish like that, but when I read it myself it mostly seemed like they were just saying that if you use third party services through Firefox then the third parties will have your data. That seems kinda like a nothingburger of a controversy to me. I dunno, I’m not a lawyer, maybe I missed something, but if so I certainly haven’t seen anybody else explain it properly.
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You’re right that it’s nothing big, but the kind of people super into purity tests tend to congregate on the fediverse (which I find a little ironic but am also happy to have some people around who accept no compromises).
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They also recently removed the promise to never sell data: https://programming.dev/post/26136291
There’s this comment (https://lemmy.zip/post/32886349/16923402) in this post (https://lemmy.zip/post/32886349?sort=Top) that should be interesting
You can’t see it from Beehaw as beehaw defederated Lemmy.world
They removed a broadly worded promise that might theoretically be used to get them in trouble for selling anonymized data. I’m not happy about that, but it doesn’t surprise me.
The rest is just people being angry at Mozilla for describing how a modern web browser works, because other companies have pointed at similar language to argue that they have the right to do whatever they want with any information they collect and no one has stopped them. That sucks, but the problem is that there are no consequences for large corporations, not that Mozilla is using the information you put into your browser to access the internet for you. Maybe Mozilla will also decide to intentionally misinterpret their own legalese to train some garbage AI, but the absolute worst case scenario is that they’re the same as every other significant browser, and a more reasonable interpretation would be that the non-profit organization is probably not profit motivated and actually means the things they say.
Who knows. I can’t see the future, but without Firefox forks of it are a dead-end, and any other browser is still going to collect a bunch of information and use it to navigate the web for you, because that’s just how today’s garbage javascript laden websites work. Yelling at Mozilla for explaining that in their ToS isn’t going to fix it, and Ladybird isn’t going to magically change how those websites work. If you really want to do something about it, don’t use those websites. Good luck with that.
Librewolf. Mozilla will just keep enshittifying their browser. My biggest hope is that chrome is split off from Google and Mozilla loses their funding from google (500M/year). It’s way more than they need and they refuse to actually compete with Chrome/Chromium. Instead, they are content being the excuse for Google not to be sued for being a monopoly.
Hopefully the charade will end before Trump leaves office. Either because the US courts force google to split or because the EU finally grows a pair and declares Google and their tech to be a liability. My bet is that a new browser like LadyBird will give Firefox a reason to actually improve, but it’ll be too late.
After a quick look at librewolf I may absolutely join you
Librewolf is basically a autoconfig file for firefox (firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg You can use this file in normal firefox.
Not yet, they’re still the best option that doesn’t use Chromium (I don’t count Safari), but Servo is looking pretty promising
