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“He probably did it as a joke.”
Actual excuse I’ve heard from multiple people.
I have asked a similar question many times in the past when people excuse such things as jokes:
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Same thing I ask when people claim they are being racist as a joke.
The difference between the public and private spheres. There is absolutely no way to make a Nazi salute jokes in public spheres, full stop. In the private sphere I can imagine it.
“What’s the difference between a dog and a Nazi? One goes like this [does Nazi salute] and one goes like this [raises leg]!”
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Plausible deniability. Pushing a boundary instead of breaking a taboo.
That is not an effective difference, that’s an excuse.
Correct, but so long as people keep favoring decorum over decency, it doesn’t matter.
I thought the point of a joke was to be funny? What is funny about memeing a Nazi salute?
People are goddamn morons.
They’re lying. The joke is on you.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
Jokes on them. I feel sorry for stupid people.
Cognitive dissonance, baybee.
I don’t think it’s lack of intelligence, but people just following the path of least resistance. It’s uncomfy to come to terms with the fact that a Nazi is in an extremely powerful unelected position, so obviously he can’t possibly be a Nazi and everything is fine :D
Some people are just goddamn morons though.
I’ve also heard the excuse “he’s autistic”
An excuse is all it is
Ah yes, the spectrum between pet the dog, hailing a taxi, and exterminating bad races.
I mean he did. It was a shitty ass hole joke. He just wanted to piss the woke people off it definitely worked.
Woke is now defined as being appalled by Nazis? I thought that was just common sense.
He just wanted to piss off anyone who he thinks is his enemy. Is what I meant by woke.
You mean like the antisemitism he spewed like a day ago?
What?
Oh, you didn’t see that? Go do a search. Musk is a fascist and saying otherwise is just running interference.
Are you mistaking my comment for someone else? When did I ever defend him or say anything good about him.
Probably should just drop the term altogether then. It basically implies that being a moron is somehow virtuous.
Can you explain how people being upset about credible threats of terrorism is funny?
I didn’t say it was funny.
Sure 👌
The only reason I think it was a nazi salute is that it was done by a nazi…
Sad thing is that, regardless of what he is or isn’t, people are answering his attention whoring with attention.
He’s the richest man in the world who has untold influence over the most powerful office in the world. It’s hard to ignore him at this point sadly. Ignoring the problem isn’t going to make it go away.
He certainly made this motion to get attention, as you said, in possibly the least crafty dog whistle in recorded history.
It’s like when a toddler learns a naughty word that makes all the grown ups laugh.
Edit: I redact that, he fucking knows what a Nazi salute is. There is no child like innocence at play, as some may interpret it.
he is a digital frotteur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frotteurism). at the same time this is where everyone should draw the line.
So if people made shirts of musk nazi salute and wore them around, would they get kicked out of places? Like the DMV or any government office?
It would be even more effective if it were a photo of the actual president doing it.
I am not hoping that it happens. But when it does happen, I hope the photographers have some good angles.
But it is a photo of the actual president doing it!
lol well yeah, I’d say it’s equally as disturbing for those of us paying attention. But for certain populations seeing the figurehead do it carries serious weight.
No, soon they all will throw their hearts too.
I dont know what this means
The media is trying to downplay the blatant nazi salute by saying he was “throwing his heart to people”
Still not a fan of pizzacakecomics. The ones that are supposed to be funny aren’t, imho, and the political ones are way too heavy-handed for my taste.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I agree with the content, but for a comic that’s on the reddit frontpage all the time it’s an incredibly crude way of getting the point across.
Pizzacakecomics is on the frontpage of reddit exactly because it’s heavy-handed and only mildly funny. But this is one of those “if Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil” kinda situations, so I give them proper recognition for speaking up.
Pizzacakecomics is on the frontpage of reddit exactly because it’s heavy-handed and only mildly funny.
Okay, fair. I just wish I could escape them – which is rather hard if the people voting stuff to my Lemmy frontpage have just as poor taste as the average redditor.
Pizzacakecomics buys upvotes and will ban from /r/comics for bringing it up. The worst part is that even after you’re banned from /r/comics you still have to see their unfunny garbage.
i think it’s a fairly good satire of the situation… of course musk didn’t say he was a nazi, but he did give the contemporary neo-nazi salute of hitting his chest first… twice in a row, the same way….
and there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it… even though it’s not ambiguous at all, and he’s had a history of promoting far-right content, the AfD, and his wealth originates in Apartheid South Africa and is obviously soak in blood….
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it.
There has been no argument from Musk.
well no he made fun of it on twitter:
““Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired.”He used a joke to deny being Hitler. Not the same.
he denied it, is the important part
He said didn’t want to be referred to as Hitler.
He denied nothing.
the denial was implied, grow up
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
True, but then again it’s exactly what you’d expect from them these days. And even if it wasn’t – this comic is so darn plump I have a hard time seeing it as satire.
Plus, the creator drawing both caracters as ugly braindead idiots makes up half the ‘joke’ here. If ones satirical abilities are so non-existant they need to degrade the physical appearance of their opponents (however vile their views and actions may be) in their works, maybe it’s just time to give up and do something they don’t completely fail at.
completely fail.
i wish i was completely failing at comics like that… i could handle that level of success.
i’m sorry you don’t like it, it’s a webcomic though, don’t lose any sleep over it.
It’s an incredibly crude lie they’re telling you when they say they don’t see it.
Youre right, but that doesn’t make this comic – or the others made by the same creator – any better.
That’s like, your opinion, man
It is indeed, yes.
Well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
In the immortal words of Buffy: “I didn’t jump. I took a tiny step and there conclusions were”
Jump him to a gallows pole
I was told the real NAZIs were liberals.
The no true Scotsmen skit is due for a refresh, with a group making excuses about how a series of people aren’t real Nazis.
No true Nazi?
Nazism on steroids!!
And thus, the perma stun begins
50 years from now Mexico City will love to ride Teslas around the place. The US will make a movie about an enchanted Tesla called 8. Mexico will make their own called Ocho. Kids all over will grow up having their dads teach them how to do a full Tesla battery replacement. Dead batterys will litter every backyard. You’ll be able to just go to the local open market to buy replacement parts.
Meanwhile in the US, NASA will employ Ex X workers to build their first rocket to fly our first Astronauts. Our astronauts will be using very expensive pens, unlike the ruzzians who used to use pencils. And everyone will know this.
After the war is over Elon shoots his own head off and they make a movie about that too…many movies with different sad endings. Ruzzia would dedicated decades to making a Vladimir Godzilla movie and then the best radios there ever will be, followed by the best TV monitors and also small cute cars called Vlad Kei cars.
The US history books will tell us all how we finally beat Elon after he sunk a sub. The US public will then give the president full mandate to drop the bomb. All girls give up their pantyhose material… Somehow that’s very important for wars. And chickens.
Guys! I cracked the code! Its all happening again! Look for books called His Tory. I don’t know who’s Tory, but the one I found was in my basement. Its a little encoded but its all happening like the book predicted!
makes sense
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Delusional, as usual
He isn’t a nazi. He is a fucking loser. His kids, ex wives and girlfriends all hate him. He is clearly incompetent which is why Trump has just given him an unofficial agency to throw him a bone to get him to shut up, maybe giving him a crumb every so often. The only friends he can find now are the Hitler youth and I expect they will get bored of him soon too.
People can be two things
I don’t understand how those things make him not a Nazi.
I doubt he genuinely believes in much at all, but is willing to pretend.
That’s Trump. Elon is extremely ideological.
