“Imperialism leaves behind germs of rot which we must clinically detect and uproot from our land but from our minds as well.” - Frantz Fanon
Hello users of Hexbear, the intent of this announcement is two-fold the first is that we would like to do another community moderator drive, if you have a community idea or want to help an existing one then please send an application either through hexbear or matrix direct message.
The call for new mods is crucial to our efforts to reduce racism and misogyny on the site, we need users to report and enough mods to be able to quickly act on the reports throughout the day and night. Also, CW or content warnings are essential to the safe browsing of Hexbear.
In addition, comments or posts removed for racist or misogyny will also be accompanied by escalating temporary bans. Upvotes will not be the single reason for a ban, however they may be used in conjunction with other posts/comments/upvotes. Consider this post the warning, however, mods are encouraged to reach out to hexbear users before a long duration ban.
The second is to increase transparency with regard to the site while not repeating the mistakes of previous attempts that were ultimately counterproductive, in part due to wreckers.
Previous attempts to increase site transparency and user participation were targeted by wreckers through increasing the intensity and frequency of struggle session drama.
Using matrix’s increased level of user permissions as an anti-wrecking measure while having an increased barrier to sending messages with a clear process to gaining the ability to send messages, we hope to mitigate wrecking attempts.
Leading to the creation of the Hexbear Proposals chapo.chat matrix room.
This will be a place for site proposals and discussion before implementation on the site.
Every proposal will also be mirrored into a pinned post on the hexbear community. Any other ideas for helping to integrate the two spaces are welcome to be commented here or messaged to me directly.
Within Hexbear Proposals you can see the history of all site proposals and react to them, indicating a vote for or against a proposal.
Sending messages will be restricted to verified and active hexbear accounts older than 1 month with their matrix id in their hexbear user profile.
All top level messages within the channel must be a Proposals (idea for changing the site), Feedback (regarding non-technical aspects of the site, for technical please use https://hexbear.net/c/feedback), or Appeals (regarding admin/moderator actions).
Discussion regarding these will be within nested threads under the post.
To gain matrix verification, all you need to do is navigate to my hexbear userprofile and click the send a secure private message including your hexbear username.
In closing, I want to state that this site would not exist without the volunteer labor of the moderators, who I am deeply grateful for.
I would also like to take this moment to remind people that lemmy direct messages are not encrypted, and finally please use this post to discuss these changes, share community ideas, or express interest in moderation.
Application
What is your Hexbear username?
Do you have any preferred pronouns?
What are your thoughts on capitalism?
What are your thoughts on imperialism?
What are your thoughts on trans rights?
What are your thoughts on racial justice?
What do think about current and previous protests around the world?
What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation?
Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities?
What did those experiences teach you?
What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams?
How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it?
What current comms would you be interested in moderating?
Do you have any ideas for community engagement?
What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)
Element information
Element is a messaging app that lets you talk to people over the Matrix protocol.
To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser.
The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:
Press “Create Account”
We host our own Matrix server, so if you want you can change matrix.org to chapo.chat.
This is completely optional; users who sign up with a matrix.org username can still talk to people with chapo.chat username.
(Note: It is chapo.chat, not hexbear.net. Also, registrations aren’t always open on chapo.chat; if they’re not, just create an account on matrix.org)
Fill in a username and password
Hit register, and you’re done!
You must log in or # to comment.
I am a process/systems nerd due to my occupation and this just reeks of people trying to use the wrong tool for the job. I don’t think the lemmy software is what we need in order to accomplish what you folks are trying to do with the site. I think you’re going to have to create an increasingly complex system and implement labor-intensive processes for volunteers in order to make it work, but it will never work. You’ll find another problem and try to create policy to address that on top of the other policy.
We need different software, a different system, or we need to accept the limitations of the ones we have.
I now appreciate your overreach even less now as I’m being treated like shit for this by other users. If this shit doesn’t let up, I’m fucking leaving. I don’t need to put up with this because my brain can’t easily process walls of text.
I’ve been examining my own upbear behavior and… there’s no consistency. It depends on my mood, what comm I’m in, what the discussion is about.
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Sometimes I’m upvoting everything to mark it as read, usually in the general mega and news mega
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Sometimes I’m not upvoting anything
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Sometimes I’m upvoting because I support an argument
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Sometimes I’m upvoting because I disagree but I think the argument is well stated.
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Sometimes I’m upvoting because I just want the writer to know someone read their post
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Sometimes I’m just idly, inconsistently upvoting without any thought at all, from muscle memory
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Sometimes I’m upvoting everything because “all posting is good posting”, a years old joke dating to the way the Subreddit strongly, strongly encouraged users to post no matter what. This was in contrast to the rest of reddit where there were very few posters compared to lurkers. This contributed to our famous and unstoppable “posting power” - A very strong community norm of posting, even if it was inane or meaningless, rather than passive viewing. That, in turn, defined the sub and later Hexbear as strongly encouraging active participation in contrast to many online communities where “low effort” posting was either formally or informally punished, and which in turn supressed many would-be speakers due to a chilling effect rising from fear of being judged or scorned for “bad posts”.
I have some screenshot, shit, let me find it.
Yeah, here, found it. So, Subreddit with EIGHT POINT SIX MILLION MEMBERS Vs. Small Communist Shitposting Lemmy, who would win? Upvoting everything contributed to the culture of user engagement that lead to Hexbear out-posting the entire rest of the Lemmyverse combined by a good margin. That’s a big part of why I found this incident to be so out of line. Arbitrary policing of something as contextless and ambiguous as upbears is directly against what created and sustains this place. As I’ve said before arbitrary moderation actions that directly run against community norms create a chilling effect and discourage user participation due to fear of running afoul of un-written rules or the whims of inconsistent moderators.
It’s late and I’m running low on steam, I’ll try to come back to this tomorrow.
Upvoting everything contributed to the culture of user engagement that lead to Hexbear out-posting the entire rest of the Lemmyverse combined by a good margin.
Yeah, I think this is one of the things that is often overlooked. Not really related to the rest of the content of your comment, but to the calls to remove the upvotes.
For the people who are a lot more active and vocal as recognizable posters you may know that actual people are actually reading and considering what you post instead of you just posting into a void, but to me it isn’t as obvious. I have tried getting into other online spaces that people keep saying are very welcoming, but it is disheartening to just have your posts seemingly entirely ignored while 20 or so powerposters just talk past you and you disappear in the scroll/pages never to be seen again, so I usually just end up lurking and then dipping out.
But it is also number go up brainworms and my comments are largely devoid of any valuable or interesting insights so they’re of dubious value. But I think removing the upvotes would have a more profound effect on the site than some think, especially when it comes to welcoming new users.
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I just wish the private voting proposal got merged on the Lemmy repo
really ought to just go back to web forums instead of all these clones of popular social media websites. What is even the point of being a reddit? does anyone like reddit enough to care? I don’t.
Retvrn to discourse
If y’all are going to start making upvotes public, then mod actions should also be public, not hidden behind anonymity or “modding accounts”. “Radical openness” in one direction isn’t radical openness, it’s just an excuse to abuse mod powers. If we have a right to know how people upvote, we have a right to see how you all are enforcing or aren’t enforcing things.
The second is to increase transparency with regard to the site while not repeating the mistakes of previous attempts that were ultimately counterproductive, in part due to wreckers.
Previous attempts to increase site transparency and user participation were targeted by wreckers through increasing the intensity and frequency of struggle session drama.
Would be really interested to know what exactly these are referring to.
What previous attempts are being alluded to?
Who are the wreckers?I thibk this site would be improved if they made me super epic cool god emperor admin which had all tbr powers and also gave me 400 dollars
How about just not issuing bans over upvotes.
If an undesirable comment has too many upvotes just let people reply and dunk on it if it’s bad, and let people who agree reply back. I don’t believe that anyone is being protected by the way you’re doing things right now.
Better than having hyper mods looking for reasons to ban people and extrapolating what users mean when they comment/upvote
We should have gotten rid of upvotes back when we got rid of downvotes. Both are toxic.
Completely agree. Imo it contributes a lot to a reddit-like hivemind thinking where a big upvote number makes you engage with a comment/post a lot less critically, since you’re already facing social pressure to agree with something just from glancing at the upvote number before even reading any of the contents of the post. And on the opposite end, a shitty take with lots of upvotes can feel like the community piling on you. I don’t think turning them off undermines “the essence” of this site at all - I’ve had them turned off on the user end for ages and it doesn’t make this site any less enjoyable or useable - in fact I would argue it does exactly the opposite.
haha I upvoted you (I agree btw, it’s just ironic)
The best part is that it will force mods to constantly highlight effort posts, which will be slightly less time consuming than over policing upvotes.
effort posts get way less attention than they should and basically need to be featured regardless
Nobody is policing upvotes.
What happened? I missed it.
Stalin did nothing wrong, neither did the mod politburu.
if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear huh :)
Someday someone will use Hexbear Proposals to do a marriage proposal
How does that work if none of us meet irl?
I just hope the current leadership (who have done a great job over the last few years) put a lot of effort into vetting new mods and admins to retain the proper class-character of the website which safeguards it from reactionary wrecking.
If they find auditing upvotes to be a useful tool towards that end, so be it. At the end of the day mods and admins will have certain powers. Making those powers transparent is an acceptable compromise which I hope can build more trust between the users and mods.
It would be better to let inactive comms close/lock rather than insert mods that aren’t properly vetted out of desperation.
Vetting upvotes is a thing because back during the struggle session that led to downvotes being removed it was because a bunch of reactionary shitheads would downvote anything that related to trans issues. Also making the mod log “transparent” would only open the mods up to people getting harassed and we have already had this happen many times so people demanding transparency in the mod log either don’t know why it is anonymized or have malicious intent.
…I am 90 percent sure most of our mods started out petite bourgeoisie lol.
I’m a mod and I grew up in a tiny cabin where my sister and I shared bunk beds and my mom slept in the living room. I have done more fucking praxis than 99% of people on this site.
Go fuck yourself.
All my life has been spent doing retail, food service, masonry, carpentry and other manual labor. You sound like you are doing hardcore projection rn.
Currently I live in what used to be a slum motel and is now a slummy apartment building. I don’t even have a fucking kitchen.
The upvote problem can be easily solved by having a range of emotions as response to a comment instead of a singular upbear, like what Telegram/Whatsapp have been doing, but we can do without the negative emojis.
Thumbs up = GOOD post!
Heart = Send love
Laughter with tears = that’s funny
Hmm = not sure I agree but thought provoking for sure
Angry face = I’m pissed reading that!The final score is then tallied by adding up all the different responses. Just a suggestion.
This just sounds like facebook… everyone just uses 😂 as passive aggression. Same with 🤔. Maybe that’s a me thing but this seems pretty common and I’m not a fan. I don’t really understand why we need these “reaction” things in the first place tbh
Seconding this objection - on platforms where this is commonplace, the passive aggression is through the roof and it’s infuriating. I think we have a better user base in general than the examples that come to my mind, but I’m still against it because it’s inevitable that people will use it to snark in a cowardly way.
I think the angry face would become a downvote but I like the idea of multiple positive options.
Laughter with tears is also a great downvote option
Not really, it’s an appropriate response for when you read news like “Israeli airstrikes just killed another 100 civilians”, not so much as a disagreement. It’s still technically an “upvote” as it brings the score up.
I like this proposal.
Unfortunately I think it’s unrealistic with the platform we are given
