• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    it might be worth reflecting why a lot of the electorate no longer sees the Democratic party as the anti-war party

    The only reflection I am able to accomplish is to look at the GOP and say “Worse, tho”.

    If you aren’t voting for the lesser evil, I have to assume you hate America and want it to fail. And that’s worse than genocide.

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      The only reflection I am able to accomplish is to look at the GOP and say “Worse, tho”.

      OK, but so far, that hasn’t been a very effective electoral strategy. I think we should try something else.

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        It doesn’t need to be effective, because the pendulum of politics always swings back in the end. Trump will become the next scapegoat of American politics just like he was back in 2018 and then 2020. If the economy tops itself (as is increasingly likely), they’ll be facing even bigger headwinds. Even if it doesn’t, inflation and sky high rents aren’t going away. Consumer debt isn’t getting any lighter. The Trump Admin isn’t going to be nice to people.

        That’s the electoral strategy at the end of the day. Just to keep being the Other Option and wait for people to come around. Wait as long as it takes. Maybe it’ll take twenty years, like in Arizona. Maybe forty years, like in Georgia. Maybe it’ll be over 60, like in Utah. Doesn’t matter. Just keep squatting on the Other Option until the day comes.

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          6 days ago

          It seems like having policies that make people want to vote for Democrats would deliver more immediate and lasting results than allowing American conditions to continue deteriorating and hoping our opponents receive the blame.

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            Dems have to deliver on those policies when given the opportunity. If all they can deliver are excuses, they won’t have a base that trusts them.

            Go down to Mexico and see how this is done. AMLO and Sheinbaum have been on a historic electoral tear, in large part because they’ve been so effective at delivering their reforms. They’re crazy popular right now.

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      First off, that’s a ridiculous assumption. Not everyone subscribes to your ideology of lesser evilism, and the vast majority of people who correctly reject that ideology are not accelerationists.

      But secondly, just curious, if I was a German citizen who hated Nazi Germany and wanted it to fail, would that make me worse than the Nazis? The Nazis were just doing genocide, after all, but I committed what is apparently a far worse sin in your eyes, of insufficient patriotism.

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        Not everyone subscribes to your ideology of lesser evilism

        If they don’t subscribe to my ideology, they must be a greater evil.

        if I was a German citizen who hated Nazi Germany and wanted it to fail, would that make me worse than the Nazis?

        It would make you a Communist Fifth Columnist Jew-Loving Traitor and earn you a ticket straight to the camps.

        The Nazis would absolutely say you were worse than them.

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          The Nazis would say it, sure. Would you agree with them? Because it sort of sounds like you’d agree with them.