So, exactly like the last 24 years. Got it.

who is like ran a pefect campaign?

Joy Reid. She was very impressed that Queen Latifah endorsed her. It’s made her into a sort of a poster child for liberals who are delusional about the Democrats flaws.

Oh, yeah, for sure. The news media (looking at you, CNN) gave him $2 billion in free airtime that year, and the Hillary campaign was secretly boosting him behind the scenes. Also, the Republicans absolutely fell in line once he was the nominee. Still, that primary proved that all the conservative organizations were helpless to stop him.

That is not my experience at all. I’m mostly seeing people the, “Harris ran a perfect campaign,” crowd buying in on this one.

Not for nothing, but the entire conservative media apparatus, as well as the GOP establishment, all lined up against Trump in 2016. He walked right through them, put Jeb Bush in a headlock, and walked off with the nomination.

I don’t know if it’s the same person, but I noticed this is a Substack article. A lot of good, independent journalists publish on Substack, so that’s not immediately disqualifying, but it does mean there’s no editorial review.

Thanks for sharing this. Yeah, that complaint isn’t very compelling. I don’t know anything about the computer systems he’s talking about, but his analysis seems anecdotal, and his unnamed mathematicians giving odds of, “beyond 1 in a Billion,” doesn’t seem very scientific.

Do you have a link to that Reddit? Presumably, the numbers should be available. If there are 10,000 votes in a county for Trump and 8,000 for the rest of the ballot, figuring out the numbers shouldn’t be hard. I’ve also heard from reputable sources that bullet ballots were very high this year, but I hadn’t heard they were statistically improbable…

Some of this data is compelling, but this last bit now has me skeptical:

The 2004 Presidential election and a 2002 Senate election were also decried as fraudulent by experts, including Spoonamore—to no avail.

“I don’t know why John Kerry refused to engage nor why Max Cleland refused to engage. This is the third time I’ve walked into the public square, poured kerosene on myself and set myself on fire saying, ‘Hey, this election was defrauded.’ And all three times the same thing has happened. People just run around going, ‘Oh my God, don’t question elections. Oh my God.’ They keep questioning integrity. Well, I was right in 2002 and I was right in 2004.”

Anyone know if this Spoonamore guy is legit, or is he just some crank that’s been claiming the elections have been rigged for 20 years? Can anyone with expertise on these topics (statistics, cyber security, election process) weigh in on the claims here?

Again, I don’t find your vote offensive. My original comment in this thread was making fun of the guy who was offended by your vote. All I said is that I think voting for Harris was an act of harm reduction, but I understood why so many people couldn’t vote for a candidate who was supporting a genocide. Then, I explained what harm reduction was. Twice. Now, seriously, go slap that English teacher.

“This is a bad analogy; the people being harmed are far away, therefore it’s not as bad,” is one hell of a take.

On this, we agree.

Again, not wrong about the criticism of the Democrats, just what harm reduction is. Putting incompetent, weak-willed centrists in power over literal fascists is practically the definition of harm reduction. Again, that’s doesn’t mean I think Democrats are good. Amputation is better than dying of gangrene, but that doesn’t mean I think having your arm cut off is good.

(Also, yeah, Democrats wouldn’t let Israel annex the West Bank. That’s why Israeli politicians didn’t start talking openly about full annexation until Trump won. Democrats did allow illegal settlements to slowly take portions of the West Bank with little pushback, and that’s fucking despicable, but again, full annexation vs. illegal settlements is a perfect example of harm reduction.)

Buddy, if you’re take away from my comments here are that I’m a, “vote blue no matter who,” Democrat, you should go back to your high school and slap your English teacher, 'cause you apparently made it through without picking up any reading comprehension. For the record, you’re not wrong about the Democrats, but voting for someone who will neglect you over someone who will attack you is harm reduction. Voting for the party that will allow Israel to level the Gaza over the party that will allow Israel to level Gaza and annex the West Bank is harm reduction. Voting for the party that did nothing to protect Roe over the party that abolished it is harm reduction. Voting for the people who are soft of trans rights over the people putting bounties on trans people using the bathroom is harm reduction. That’s why it’s called harm reduction, not harm elimination.

That doesn’t mean that the Democrats are good, or that you should always vote for them in every election, and I clearly sympathize with people who could not bring themselves to vote for them this election. It just means we would be better off if Trump wasn’t going to be President, and personally, I blame the Democratic party for that failure.

OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.

Source?

Please see the edit, or the 3 other comments that said the exact same thing.

Well, glad to know it wasn’t effective. The pundit class was talking about how damaging it was, but I shouldn’t have assumed they were basing that on facts.

What stage of centrist coping is, “Nazi Apologist Takes?”

When say Democrats, I mean party members — people who actually matter, not terminally online liberals. The actual party doesn’t want to acknowledge that the Obama Coalition is falling apart.