Let me be clear, I’m absolutely NOT promoting this brand, company or otherwise, and I am also not receiving payment or gratis products.
I have been fighting Tuya lights for some time (Costco Feit branded color bulbs). I had picked them up at something like $5/each there in a 4 pack and overall have been happy with them. This started to change about a few months ago, it seemed that they would lose their pairing with Tuya’s servers in China and would randomly and usually just when I needed them the most, become unavailable. I had placed all 4 of them in the apartment, 3 in the living room and one in the bedroom. The one where I felt it the most - the bedroom. 5 minutes before I retire for the evening, it’s set to turn on the light, and then after 30 minutes, if I haven’t already, turns it off. I also have the living room lights programmed to turn on during certain times of the day and off using the Simple Scheduler plugin (I highly recommend it!)
Fast forward to last week, I was sick and tired of the random connectivity issues so I went on the hunt and settled with a pack 6 Matter color bulbs and jumped at the chance. So, I bought them, and they arrived today. I can honestly tell you, that there was absolutely NO problem paring them to Home Assistant and the color control is amazingly accurate! The comfort of knowing that I shouldn’t have to worry about losing my light connectivity is priceless now. :) If anyone is curious, this is the brand and so far I can say they are simply amazing!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLTWFJWY?psc=1
About Tuya and Tuya Local
I’m not totally abandoning Tuya itself, but the goal is to eventually be independent from their devices. Right now, I have a dehumidifier and all of my old lights and a massively long 400 light string light all connected via Tuya. The bulbs, will probably be stored as a “backup” or filed away for use in non-essential areas where connectivity is not as important.
Tuya Local is an amazing and awesome option, which completely lets you control your devices locally and I use that on the dehumidifer. I also had the old bulbs on there as well. The string lights, I tried, but it’s a major process of learning what ‘DP’ Codes correspond to what color you want. I just left those paired to the cloud as Tuya provided the necessary mapping.
You may ask why then, if I had them on Tuya Local, why didn’t I just use that to control my lights? The answer lies within the process of obtaining the local key from Tuya. If anyone who has done this knows, Tuya loves to change up their site’s navigation and settings and it’s seemingly random when they do. I finally got smart though and mapped out the device ID and the super secret and important “Local Key” and recorded those in Joplin. I lived with them like this for a couple of years, but I started to encounter random “crashing” of the lights if you will, where they would go offline and in spite of switching to Tuya Cloud (I have the app on my phone), they would refuse to become available, so I had to factory reset the bulbs to the ever familiar blinking lights process. What I didn’t realize at the time, but I later did, when you reset the lights, the local key also resets to a new one. There was a time too, where more recently and was my final decision when within a 72 hour period, I had to reset a light three times.
Matter
It’s encouraging to finally be able to use the Matter integration in Home Assistant, it’s justifiably flagged as (Beta). Simply put, there is a slight delay from when you trigger the light before it turns on or reacts. This really isn’t a big deal for us though. Additionally, I was able to add these to Google Home effortlessly which also makes them Wife Approved. :) The lights do not have a delay there, also, the app they want you to use experiences no delay.
Overall, for my first experience with the Matter devices, I was simply amazed at how easy it was to connect. I discovered that Home Assistant asks you to use the phone app to scan the QR code on the box (The bulb in this case) to obtain the pairing code and it seamlessly integrated it. My phone is a Pixel 8a which has Android 15 on it and before I even got to Home Assistant, it was asking me to scan the QR Code for matter setup.
**Light Quality and impressions
I will say these are pretty bright and not blindly so, but they are plenty bright. :) They have great color to them and the color temperature is awesomely simple. Ours are set to a nice 4000k.
Construction of the bulbs feel to be of decent quality. At least with Amazon, where I bought these, finding locally controlled bulbs was not too easy, and this brand (OREIN) was the only seller which sold Matter devices. If you are looking for a supported Matter light bulb, this may be what you need. :)
In 6 years I’ve never had any problems with my hue bulbs. Granted they’re $60 cad each D;
I have to admit, aside from paying for them, I do like my hue lights.
Fortunately, the white ambiance are my favorite and they’re about 25 each. In this way, I’m saving a ton of money…
I also recommend IKEA Tradfri bulbs. Almost as good as Phillips hue except that they don’t fade as smoothly. I’ve only had a couple issues in like 5 years with them and they were fixed by just resetting the bulbs and re-pairing them to the hue hub. The ol turn it on and off 5 times fast until they start pulsing.
They don’t seem to go quite as dim as the full colour ones though.
I’ve had that experience with the regular hue white/smart bulbs, but the white ambiance seem to dim as much as my color bulbs.
Hue do be having that “it just works” track record. Which is absolutely divine magic in my opinion because if you took one small look at their back end infrastructure stack you’d never imagine it could be… Reliable… Somehow? Like… Look at this…
What’s wrong with that? Do you expect their backend to run off a single server with a little PHP script? The components seem pretty reasonable (with the actual business logic being just a small part).
No, not at all, I just don’t expect the level of reliability they provide with how complex the stack is, and that is a complicated stack. (For a literal light bulb).
But that’s the neat thing: the system is well structured into different layers and subcomponents. They are not all involved to control lightbulbs; that’s mostly your local hue bridge. One component will make sure, Alexa can control your bulbs (if you want that). If that component fails, only Alexa stops working. Another component handles push notifications to your mobile devices. If that fails, the rest is unimpacted. And so on.
That was, for a long time, the main reason I heavily recommended Hue: the bridge can be used completely offline and still offered a good local API and pairing system. Unfortunately last year that made online accounts a requirement. I assume besides the App you can still use many things even if your network connection is broken, though.
Wowie all to make photons go brrrr. Big ups to Client Eastwood and Freddie Mercury for making this possible! Thanks for the share
Do you use a hub or like a USB dongle or something for Matter? I’ve never used it?
Matter runs over your WiFi so as long as your server you run Home Assistant on for example has wired or wireless access you are good to go. My Home Assistant is on LAN and wired so no wireless, but they all communicate through the WiFi network. if you have a Bluetooth dongle or onboard, Home Assistant would also use that to pair and communicate if needed.
2.4Ghz WiFi is only supported and no newer generations yet.
@node815
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A lot of Matter devices do not use WiFi, they need a Thread Border Router ( https://matter-smarthome.de/en/know-how/what-is-a-thread-border-router/ ).
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Some recent Matter over WiFi devices also support 5Ghz WiFi.
Good to know about the 5Ghz WiFi on the newer devices.
I’m still new to Matter so I appreciate the info you gave for not all devices not using WiFi. :)
Note that you may already have a Thread Border Router. Many of the Alexa-like devices have the functionality.
Is there a list to check? I have a gen 3 Echo dot
The fourth-gen Echo smart speaker is now a Thread border router,
https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/2/23707900/amazon-matter-smart-home-thread-support
https://www.matteralpha.com/frequently-asked-questions/complete-list-thread-border-routers
Echo (4th Gen) Echo Show 8 (3rd Gen) Echo Hub Echo Studio Echo Studio (2nd Gen) Echo Plus (2nd Gen) Echo Show 10 (3rd Gen) Eero Beacon Eero Pro Eero 6 Eero 6+ Eero Pro 6 Eero Pro 6E Eero PoE 6 Eero PoE Gateway Eero Max 7
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There’s a difference between Matter (the interoperability standard) and Thread (The preferred matter communication protocol) and you’ll see a lot of devices advertised as “Matter over thread” which is important because for those you’ll need a matter bridge device to act as an edge router for the mesh “thread” network the devices create. These can be had cheaply though and if you’re one of the like 1 in 3 Americans with an iPad you already own one.
Ah, ok. Thank you. :)
This is what I use on my Raspberry Pi. It’s a USB dongle.
These look nice unfortunately I can’t seem to find them on Amazon Canada, any other smart light changing bulb recommendations? I’m also looking for rgb outdoor pot lights but they need to be completely local.
I’ve got a handful of the Orein bulbs that have been alright - slight delay as you mentioned. I’m really liking the build quality and performance of the Moe’s brand as well, which don’t have that delay.
I’ve really enjoyed the GE Cync Matter bulbs. They respond instantly, and I’ve had no issues with them disconnecting the way Nanoleaf bulbs would.
They do seem to really easily go to a peach color instead of warm, but you learn where you can set the temperature before it goes peach.
I only buy Matter/Thread now, despite manufacturers making that difficult.
Thanks for the review!
