maybe-later-honey They took my grandpa’s slaves!

morello-shred Cry about it.

Also what kind of a fucking name is Robby Starbuck.

  • Pili [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    126·
    19 days ago

    Look at that stupid ass reply

    "My bourgeois slave owner family were working class people, you’re a fake communist for not defending them " frothingfash

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      96·
      19 days ago

      Yes let’s go talk to ‘Cubans’ (are you really Cuban if you haven’t lived there in 60 years?) in Florida, who have completely mythologized their actions and suffering at this point.

      Also, dude literally has an American flag in the background of his picture, very not serious person

      • Redcuban1959 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        71·
        19 days ago

        Gusanos, specially Cuban and South Vietnamese, are one of the most entitled people ever. Theres a book written by a lib, called “Cuban Privilege”, that talks about how Cubans aren’t considered immigrants but rather political refugees, as such they receive a bunch of free stuff from the Federal and State goverments. The author argues that the Cubans don’t actually classify as political refugees per UN rules, and that meanwhile actual political refugees from Haiti, El Salvador and Guatemala, get treated like shit. And that this Privilege the Cubans have, could be used on actual refugees and Americans who need welfare. Guasanos got really mad about this, there used to be a blog with a really funny delusional review of this book.

        The Castro regime claims that the source of all its failures are U.S. sanctions, but the failures are due to communist central planning that the Castro regime imposed on Cuba in 1959.

        Tens of thousands of Cubans have drowned or disappeared in the Florida Straits, trying to reach the freedom of the US. Fidel Castro did not begin blaming Washington for the problems he had created until 1991 when the Soviet Union imploded. This was the year that Havana began campaigning to condemn the U.S. embargo at the United Nations General Assembly.

        Earlier this year, Boston University professor Susan Eva Eckstein published “Cuban Privilege: The Making of Immigrant Inequality in America,” a 300-page book that perpetuates the myth that Cubans are a privileged immigrant class. To argue her point, the author implies that the Cuban identity as “refugees” seeking asylum was a mere construct, not a reality. This is an inaccurate assertion that denies the facts of the Cuban experience and callously disregards the historical tragedies caused by Fidel Castro‘s brutal regime.

        • Seasonal_Peace [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          39·
          19 days ago

          Yeah your right, context matters. It’s okay to shit on gusanos. I was a war refugee, and I can’t stand westernized people from my country—they’re a pain to be around.

        • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          9·
          19 days ago

          Without going too overboard and also attempting to maintain a general viewpoint that everyone is a human, even the descendants of oppressors:

          I would say I agree with what you said, but applied to actually displaced people. Also, it’s hard to apply “displaced” to people based solely on nationality (or former-nationality). Cuban is just a nationality, no matter how much people try their hardest to make it an ethnicity unto its own (not saying you’re doing this, but it is a commonly done thing.) It’s like trying to act like “American” (as in USAian) is an ethnicity. There’s a diversity of Cubans (and Cuban Americans) just as there is for USAians.

          For example: Palestinian refugees remain Palestinian no matter how many generations go by and they will always be a displaced people unless they’re able to return to their land and homes. This also applies to other various indigenous groups such as indigenous/native Americans, indigenous/aboriginal people in Australia, etc.

          The key thing there is they are indigenous to the lands they or their family before they were born were forced to flee.

          However, say Palestine is legally formed by the UN and the entire land between the river and sea becomes the Palestinian state. Israel is dissolved. All Israelis who choose to stay are given instant citizenship… but some refuse this, declare that the state is illegitimate, etc. and pack their shit and leave. They spend the next 60 years crying endlessly about how Palestinians victimized them. That THEY are somehow the wronged party.

          That’s a pretty direct comparison to the “fled from Fidel” Cuban-American population. They didn’t have to leave. Most of them anyway. They were just reactionary scum that couldn’t stomach their slaves and plantations being taken.

          Now obviously this is slightly complicated by the fact that the US offered instant green cards and fast tracked citizenship to Cuban “refugees” and due to the endless embargo Cuba did have some times that people felt compelled to flee the island. Not all of them did so because of a deeply held love of capitalism or whatever.

          But my point is… why are they displaced? Because of the actions of a mixture of their family, the US government, and maybe personal choice (first generation). Not the fault of Cuba except for the ones fleeing justice… in which case, absolutely fuck them.

          Why are Palestinians and other indigenous people displaced? 100% because of the oppressors and their backers. There is no fault to lay on the first generation refugees unlike with Cubans or my hypothetical Israeli refugees.

          Is the fault inherited? That doesn’t seem fair. So, no. But are they displaced? Were they ever “displaced?” I’d argue a firm… no. I already laid out the caveat for actual economic immigrants (again, caused by the US, but I wouldn’t necessarily fault them for not knowing that)

          I guess the point is a lot of people aren’t displaced and their family wasn’t unfairly wronged. Maybe they believe they were. That’s fine. But I’m not going to go along with the delusions of some grandkid of a Bay of Pigs veteran and act like their grandfather, them, or anyone in their family was wronged by Cuba. Experiencing justice, as this hypothetical but also very real person experienced, isn’t “being wronged.” The party who did wrong and faced accountability may feel wronged. But that doesn’t mean they were or that we should cater to their bad and wrong opinions of their experiences (or more commonly now days, the experiences of their parents or grandparents). Kinda like if a grandkid of a Nazi complained that the Soviets shot grandpa. “Ok, and?” Yes that probably sucked for his family. Doesn’t mean we need to consider the family victims.

          I hope this didn’t go too crazy, and I’m not saying every Cuban-American is a right wing chud asshole. People should treat people as people. But if someone legitimately believes they were wronged or displaced, I’m not going to just surrender that when there are people who are actually displaced and were and still are being wronged. I’m not going to sympathize the same with the grandkid of a “killed in action” Nazi soldier the same as I would the grandkid of a Holocaust victim. Blame isn’t inherited, but the actions of your ancestors does disqualify you from certain claims and certain types of sympathy… from me anyway.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      61·
      19 days ago

      government theft from working class people

      You ain’t working class if you own the ranch, your employees are.

      • Barx [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        34·
        19 days ago

        The “employees” probably weren’t even working class, they were something closer to serfs serving landlords. These were nearly all literal slave plantations just a few decades prior and the new sustem was tenant farmers handing over half of their crops to the landlord and usually selling the rest to the landlord.

          • Barx [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            10·
            19 days ago

            In Marxist terms, the working class and the proletariat are conflated. Marx sometimes called the working class “the wage-working class” and then, synonymously, “the working class”. Tenant farmers are usually distinguished due to a different class interest, which is to say that their primary goal (historically, along with other kinds of peasant) has been to obtain the land they work on, which Marxists usually describe as a petty bourgeois ambition. This emerges due to their relation to production, where they experience essentially the full gamut of the production of crops through their labor, usually only being alienated by a lack of ownership of the land itself and maybe some of the equipment. The development of uniting these peasant interests of land reform with proletarian interests in the cities was one of the key factors in successful revolutions led by MLs. After the revolution, this then immediately led to a need to deal with the petty bourgeois interests of peasany landowners, usually by limiting the amount of farming land that anyone other than the state could own and sometimes needing to immediately fight a small war against peasants that revolted due to their interests clashing with those of the industrial workers and the program of the revolutionary party(ies).

            Apologies if much of this is review, just adding context in the hope that it is explanatory of my meaning.