This is btw one main reason why milk is murder, because many of those calves are often killed for their meat. The other reason is that cows stop beeing productive and are killed way before their natural death, since the replacement calves are rdy to go (I think it was something like after 5 years with their natural life span beeing around 25, but I’m not sure if I remember correctly).

A bit oversimplified, but just to add a bit more context why vegans don’t drink milk.

Where have I heard this one before?

France? Sweden? Italy? US? Netherlands?

God, I hate the world rn.

That is of course possible and ultimately we will never know.

I don’t have hard data on this, but if interbreeding between slaves / sex-slaves and whites would have been widespread I think there would be a lot more interracial people in the US. As it is the black and white ethnicities remain still notably separated, with laws up into the 1960 making it a crime to have partner that is not one’s own race.

And yes, 1865 to now is a vastly smaller time frame than 45.000 years, and if we make it that long one the picture would be a different one.

or assimilation of the hot ones into Sapiens I should say

Why the hot ones only? Having a warrior brute around sounds sensible too. Or just a refugee family of neanderthals who’s children interbred with the sapiens after a generation.

I think violence is a very valid theory in the process of interbreading, given how humans tend to be a violent species. But the fact that children resulted out of that interbreeding that were aloud to interbreed themselves speakers for at least some level of peacefully integration.

Yeah, well, that realy doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

Looking from 40 years onwards it’s a kind of creepy commercial too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoAJNn6SETs

The talking point this time around seems to be that they are just destroying those chemical gas weapons and military infrastructure. Can’t have that with Islamists. I have seen one person call this “forward defending” unironically.

They don’t call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?

By all means, please ask away.

I’ll add some details to answer your question. First off, keep in mind the time. It was 2010 when I was over there, just 14 years but a world removed from how traveling (and honestly, living) is these days. I had no smartphone back then. Internet was something I only had access to every few weeks in libraries, and then I used it to Skype with home. So, there was little possibility for sensible research about veganism while traveling. Possible, sure, but definitely not practical.

Regarding Veganism, things were quite different. When I eventually started, back home in 2011, I had to explain what “Vegan” is to every single waiter when eating out. There simply were no viable vegan menu options, often not even vegetarian ones. Not a single product was labeled in the shops, so my first year or so consisted of reading the backside of products and making a list of which ones I could buy. Sometimes the non-vegan component was hidden behind a word that could mean any ingredient really, like “Aroma”. So, you had to look those up online in the shop. And if you couldn’t find it, you would write to the company and ask. Plus, there is the whole dietary side of Veganism. You need to know what you are doing if you eat a plant-based diet, otherwise you will run into deficits eventually.

I was aware of all these factors and seeing how much work it was back home, in my country with my language and my local products, to get started back then, I’d say it was a sensible decision. In New Zealand I would have run out of steam real fast, I recon (but of course I don’t know if that is true).

Would I have eaten humans? I guess, if I had grown up eating humans and lived in a society that normalized it to the degree eating animals is normalized, yes, likely. Did I already see animals as equals back then? Not to the degree I do now, no. As a theoretical construct, sure. I worked on a vineyard and was delegated to work with the farm guy for a week. I saw with my own eyes with how little respect he treated the animals there. They were nothing but steaks on legs for him. I think seeing that up close realy started a process of feeling true empathy. Then again, i continued to use milk for the rest my stay, for the reasons stated above.

I guess this happens more often than not, to be honest. I’m writing this on a laptop, whose minerals have been mined under horrific conditions, that was assembled by de facto slaves some majority world country. I wear clothes that were made under similar circumstances. I am aware of all that, but it doesn’t “haunt” me. More like a nabbing voice in the back of my head that I can’t quite silence. But such is life. I can’t and very likely not be perfect and live up to every single ideal I have. If I had the money to buy ethical products, I would. Until then I will have to live with the dissonance. I’ve been a vegan for 13 years now. It has been one of the main driving forces for every purchase since then. Considering I don’t know if I would have managed to become a vegan if I would have started earlier, I think I made the right call back then.

I don’t know… When I was a vegetarian I informed myself about why the fuck people were vegans and to my dismay discovered that the point raised by vegans were very true and that I could not be an ethical vegetarian. So I had to make a choice there. And that choice was to become vegan.

But.

I was right on the verge of a year of work and travel in New Zealand. I just couldn’t imagine making the transition there, not while beeing so far removed from my everyday live. So I made a vow to myself to transition on the day I came back and moved into my new flat.

So, yes, no baby steps for the transition, that was hard and total once the time for it arrived (that was back in 2011 btw). But I was very much able to continue with a vegetarian diet for a year, fully aware that it was ethically not correct. So I disagree on that point, from my experience. I think you can understand, realy understand, that what you are doing is wrong and still make the decision to continue with doing it.

What revolution would that have been? From my limited understanding universal healthcare emerged as a byproduct of the industislistation, when states where confronted with a fast growing population of poor citizens that flocked to the cities and needed caring for in some sense. Bismarck intruduced the first European Healthcare system with the goal of keeping workers alive and healthy.

So, to answer my own question, if anything then the industrial revolution (aka capitalism) gave us healthcare.

Somehow I don’t think that’s where you were going with your comment.

I am currently doing my bachelor in padagogical science and I can ensure you that group dynamics and individuals position in those groups very seldom have anything to do with the individual. There are contributing factors in all personalities involved, but it more often comes down to how a group is situated in what context. Often youngh people internalise their roles and continue to act according to them in different groups. So, take it as a scientific fact that you very likey didn’t do anything wrong as a child, nor had a personality trade that was the sole contribute to beeing ostracized.

After several days of what I can only describe as ill-informed pro crab propaganda posts all over lemmy I realy needed this. Thank you.

Lol, I feel ya :-)

Thanks for that and quite interesting. Then it is indead cultural thing, or a generational one.

So people watch movies with the subtitles on? Like, is that a thing? Might be cultural thing, but I’ve almost never encountered that.

No sex worker should feel ashame for their job. The ones I know don’t at least.

I get you were joking and I see how my comment may come over as prude. It’s just that it’s a very harsh Industrie that is often marginalised. More often than not it intersect with people of lower class seeing it as one of the few ways to earn money. Those that work it often have to hide it, even if it’s legal, because there is a huge taboo around it. And then of course there is a huge dark area where mostly females are human trafficked into a country and then forced into prostitution.

Makingsex work to be a legal job and getting legislation like in this thread here helps a lot and is indeed progressive and positive.

I feel like making fun of these people isn’t helpful, or progressive at all. Nothing against a lighthearted joke, but your comment offers nothing else but sex jokes and a lip service remark about how progressive the law is. I feel like it is making fun of sex workers more than anything else.

If that makes me a prude gatekeeper in your eyes (and the eyes of the downvoters) then be it so. You can think of me what ever you wish. I’ll have to live with that burden.

Most, as you put it, “experts” point to inflation as a consequence, but I know shit about economics and don’t know the mechanism behind it.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-does-rubles-sharp-fall-mean-russias-economy-1992933

But seriously, wonderful progressive policy.

It is. Not so much: your comment.

Spoiler much?