An average persons, such as all of us here, only ability to do anything about it was back in November, but y’all wanted to “teach the DNC a lesson at the polls” at the absolute worst fucking time
A party needs forward-looking and backward-looking voters in order to prosper. You can’t win elections without the forward-lookers. But without the backward-lookers holding people accountable, you end up electing candidates who won’t actually accomplish anything when they do manage to win.
The utilitarian folks arguing that “on the net, Harris would be better for reasons A, B, and C…” are forward-looking voters. Those staying home in protest of Palestine were backward-looking voters.
People simply have different cultures; liberals SHOULD realize and accept this. Not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone has the same voting culture you do. You are a forward-looking voter. But you shouldn’t chauvinistically shame those of a different culture. Your way is not the only way.
Bruh, I’m not gonna forgive folk who “okayed” me getting my ass killed in the next four years just because they have “a different culture” on voting.
This isn’t about “holding Dems accountable”, it’s about the literal fucking fascist proclaiming literal fucking fascist things running and the race being tight. This wasn’t 2012. This wasn’t 2008. Fuck, it wasn’t even 2000 or 2004. It wasn’t even fucking 2016, when people could plead ignorance as to Trump’s character, if they were not deeply politically involved.
If they said “Anti-fascism isn’t enough for me to throw my lot in to prevent fascism” in 2020 or 2024, they’re a fascist enabler. End of story.
The exact same as if Harris won. Literally line for line. Our fight hasn’t changed. Your fight has, and it will fail if you people don’t give up wanting to commit genocide and overall being Nazis with liberal aesthetics.
The “protest vote” wasn’t very organized. There are many communities of Arab and Muslim people in the States that weren’t influenced by the small number of leftists advocating for votes against Harris. For many people, genocide is a deal breaker without outside influence of any sort.
Why are you able to excuse genocide overseas? Because at least it’s not genocide at home? Why are you allowing the party that supposes to represent your beliefs to enable any genocide?
I never ignored the ongoing genocide in Palestine. But quite clearly, if one believes that “Genocide for Palestine and genocide for LGBT folk” is an acceptable alternative, genocide is not the ‘deal-breaker’.
A vote for Harris was never a vote against genocide. There were many people who found it unconscionable to vote for anyone supporting any genocide. And you’re placing the blame on those people instead of your party that is still supporting genocide.
There were many people who found it unconscionable to vote for anyone supporting any genocide.
And so they chose not to vote; and in not voting, supporting the ascension of the most genocidal candidate.
Inaction is not absolution. People who refused to vote against the Nazis because the opposition wasn’t pure enough were complicit with the rise of the Nazis. It’s the same fucking thing here. Not voting is a choice, with consequences, same as any other choice.
And you’re placing the blame on those people instead of your party that is still supporting genocide.
“I don’t understand why you would blame the voters who chose as much genocide as possible for choosing genocide???”
Yes, Dems choosing to be more right wing than the trump 2016 campaign did have an effect. It did cause them to lose core support from minority groups that realized they weren’t going to be supported anymore by the dem party.
Then you admit you refused to show solidarity with LGBT folk in the US, because the candidate for protecting LGBT folk in the US showed insufficient solidarity with Palestinians?
I’m a trans person myself and voted for Harris. Do not use my people as a rhetorical cudgel against those that voted for accountability. We’ve seen after the election that Democrats have little spine is protecting trans rights. Democrats already voted to support the first anti-LGBT law in 30 years. There is anti-trans legislation in the works that will likely have substantial Democratic support behind it.
You only use minorities as a tool to wield. When those minority groups stand up and object to being thrown under the bus in the name of political expediency, you just hold up another minority group as another rhetorical shield.
Do not use my people as a rhetorical cudgel against those that voted for accountability.
I didn’t realize “accountability” was “putting a fascist in power to throw us disadvantaged groups in camps”. Rather seems like the opposite of accountability to me, but what do I know? I’m just one of those filthy mixed-race mentally ill useless eaters who’ll get thrown into the meat grinder. The REAL victims here are the people who sat on their asses while fascism came to America, and couldn’t be arsed enough to do so much as take one day out of their busy fucking lives and cast a vote for someone they didn’t like. Protecting minorities just wasn’t important enough. Feeling pure was more important.
…Jill stein did show support for Palestinians, what the fuck are you on about? So did de la Cruz. Hell even Dr West did.
Okay? None of those candidates had any chance of defending LGBT folk in the US, and LGBT folk in the US overwhelmingly voted for Harris, above and beyond what support they gave the Dems in 2016 and 2020, because they saw the writing on the wall regarding Trump.
Edit: ooh you’re one of the lgb not t guys, aren’t you?
Get better material. Trans rights are human rights.
None of those candidates had any chance of defending LGBT folk in the US
getting elected is probably one of the least effective ways to protect marginalized people. i think dr west and de la cruz are doing great work for queer people.
And neither of those idiots have a track record of ever having done shit to support their loaded promises.
You’re just believing shit because it sounds good. They’re both untested, unproven blowhards that don’t have the political clout, or legal knowledge to back up a god damned thing they “promised.”
What are you even talking about, I and MANY others were right, everyday since the 20th has been a gold star example on how Trump is SO much worse. The article yesterday was literally Trump calling for a “total ethnic cleansing”
Not to mention all the additional people NOW under threat like the LGBTQ+ community.
Harris would have at worst kept the status quo, Trump is turning the dial to 11 on everything from Gaza to a recession to racism and transphobia. Good job though on your protest vote 👍
That’s not worse. Genocide is genocide. Harris was already promising to roll back trans support and implement a worse version of Trump’s 2016 border policy. And you voted for that.
You are free to wrongly accuse democrats of having changed their fight, but at least they have one. Your fight doesn’t even exist as evident in your failed attempt to send a message with your little…. protest votes.
Let me fill you in on how things would have gone down had you and your fellow Trump Supporters bluEmAGa mouth breathers just shut up and advocated for Harris.
Trump would have lost, he would have been sentenced to jail, MAGA would have likely imploded in on itself and the Republicunts would have been too busy running around panicking to do much
Then we could have all focused on pressuring the DNC/Harris over the next 2 years about Gaza and then if necessary taught them that lesson at the polls at midterms
But no, now we’re going to be too occupied with the SHOCK part of Trump’s shock and awe plan to do much of anything for the Palestinians let alone ourselves.
People can suffer oppression nearly infinitely (see: North Korea). What gives people the strength to rebel is being put in a position where victory seems possible. Accelerationism is even less than a survivor fantasy - it’s a delusion that feeds the powers that be. Entrenched powers are almost never overthrown by the people at their most oppressive, because systems are often at their most oppressive when they feel most powerful. Entrenched powers are almost always overthrown by the people when the system weakens and offers compromise, because that’s when people believe they can make demands of the bastards and best them if they refuse.
Add in that literally no historical evidence appears to exist to suggest that accelerationism has ever had efficacy.
Its adherents are just doing their best to make other people suffer with a pie-in-the-sky hope that being class-traitors and offering up vulnerable groups as blood sacrifice will result, not just in a workers’ revolution but one that achieves their personal utopia, instead of getting coopted by theocracy or totalitarian dictatorships, as has frequently happened in history.
Yep. It’s totally the fault of those willing to show solidarity. Willingness to work together with people they might disagree with for something positive who are the problem. Do you even read the insanity that you post?
An average persons, such as all of us here, only ability to do anything about it was back in November, but y’all wanted to “teach the DNC a lesson at the polls” at the absolute worst fucking time
A party needs forward-looking and backward-looking voters in order to prosper. You can’t win elections without the forward-lookers. But without the backward-lookers holding people accountable, you end up electing candidates who won’t actually accomplish anything when they do manage to win.
The utilitarian folks arguing that “on the net, Harris would be better for reasons A, B, and C…” are forward-looking voters. Those staying home in protest of Palestine were backward-looking voters.
People simply have different cultures; liberals SHOULD realize and accept this. Not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone has the same voting culture you do. You are a forward-looking voter. But you shouldn’t chauvinistically shame those of a different culture. Your way is not the only way.
Bruh, I’m not gonna forgive folk who “okayed” me getting my ass killed in the next four years just because they have “a different culture” on voting.
This isn’t about “holding Dems accountable”, it’s about the literal fucking fascist proclaiming literal fucking fascist things running and the race being tight. This wasn’t 2012. This wasn’t 2008. Fuck, it wasn’t even 2000 or 2004. It wasn’t even fucking 2016, when people could plead ignorance as to Trump’s character, if they were not deeply politically involved.
If they said “Anti-fascism isn’t enough for me to throw my lot in to prevent fascism” in 2020 or 2024, they’re a fascist enabler. End of story.
Ironic to hear about “forward looking” from a protest voters who enabled a genocide to complete its work in the fastest possible way.
You should be ashamed of yourself, sadly you never learned about morality or responsibility 🤷
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And how did that work out for y’all?
The exact same as if Harris won. Literally line for line. Our fight hasn’t changed. Your fight has, and it will fail if you people don’t give up wanting to commit genocide and overall being Nazis with liberal aesthetics.
Now you get genocide here and in Palestine. Congrats!
Everyone knows opening up a second front is ALWAYS a good idea LMAO
ROFL! You have no fight.
So it’s your opinion that the protest vote against Palestinian genocide did make the difference between victory and defeat for the Trump regime?
The “protest vote” wasn’t very organized. There are many communities of Arab and Muslim people in the States that weren’t influenced by the small number of leftists advocating for votes against Harris. For many people, genocide is a deal breaker without outside influence of any sort.
Why are you able to excuse genocide overseas? Because at least it’s not genocide at home? Why are you allowing the party that supposes to represent your beliefs to enable any genocide?
Oh cool, so they voted to prevent genocide in the US?
… no?
They didn’t?
I guess genocide wasn’t such a deal breaker.
Stop using the threat of future genocide to ignore current genocide
I never ignored the ongoing genocide in Palestine. But quite clearly, if one believes that “Genocide for Palestine and genocide for LGBT folk” is an acceptable alternative, genocide is not the ‘deal-breaker’.
A vote for Harris was never a vote against genocide. There were many people who found it unconscionable to vote for anyone supporting any genocide. And you’re placing the blame on those people instead of your party that is still supporting genocide.
And so they chose not to vote; and in not voting, supporting the ascension of the most genocidal candidate.
Inaction is not absolution. People who refused to vote against the Nazis because the opposition wasn’t pure enough were complicit with the rise of the Nazis. It’s the same fucking thing here. Not voting is a choice, with consequences, same as any other choice.
“I don’t understand why you would blame the voters who chose as much genocide as possible for choosing genocide???”
Yeah, that tracks.
Stop enabling genocide then.
Yes, Dems choosing to be more right wing than the trump 2016 campaign did have an effect. It did cause them to lose core support from minority groups that realized they weren’t going to be supported anymore by the dem party.
Then you admit you refused to show solidarity with LGBT folk in the US, because the candidate for protecting LGBT folk in the US showed insufficient solidarity with Palestinians?
I’m a trans person myself and voted for Harris. Do not use my people as a rhetorical cudgel against those that voted for accountability. We’ve seen after the election that Democrats have little spine is protecting trans rights. Democrats already voted to support the first anti-LGBT law in 30 years. There is anti-trans legislation in the works that will likely have substantial Democratic support behind it.
You only use minorities as a tool to wield. When those minority groups stand up and object to being thrown under the bus in the name of political expediency, you just hold up another minority group as another rhetorical shield.
I didn’t realize “accountability” was “putting a fascist in power to throw us disadvantaged groups in camps”. Rather seems like the opposite of accountability to me, but what do I know? I’m just one of those filthy mixed-race mentally ill useless eaters who’ll get thrown into the meat grinder. The REAL victims here are the people who sat on their asses while fascism came to America, and couldn’t be arsed enough to do so much as take one day out of their busy fucking lives and cast a vote for someone they didn’t like. Protecting minorities just wasn’t important enough. Feeling pure was more important.
…Jill stein did show support for Palestinians, what the fuck are you on about? So did de la Cruz. Hell even Dr West did.
Those were the only candidates showing support for trans people in the 2024 election, so no idea how you got confused.
Edit: ooh you’re one of the lgb not t guys, aren’t you?
Jill Stein is loyal to Putin/Russia and the money she fundraises from her spoiler campaigns.
Where is she now?
Russian handlers deactivated her until the next election as usual lol
Currently helping more local level greens get into office.
[citation needed]
Let’s see those articles.
Put down the copium pipe
Okay? None of those candidates had any chance of defending LGBT folk in the US, and LGBT folk in the US overwhelmingly voted for Harris, above and beyond what support they gave the Dems in 2016 and 2020, because they saw the writing on the wall regarding Trump.
Get better material. Trans rights are human rights.
getting elected is probably one of the least effective ways to protect marginalized people. i think dr west and de la cruz are doing great work for queer people.
And neither of those idiots have a track record of ever having done shit to support their loaded promises.
You’re just believing shit because it sounds good. They’re both untested, unproven blowhards that don’t have the political clout, or legal knowledge to back up a god damned thing they “promised.”
What are you even talking about, I and MANY others were right, everyday since the 20th has been a gold star example on how Trump is SO much worse. The article yesterday was literally Trump calling for a “total ethnic cleansing”
Not to mention all the additional people NOW under threat like the LGBTQ+ community.
Harris would have at worst kept the status quo, Trump is turning the dial to 11 on everything from Gaza to a recession to racism and transphobia. Good job though on your protest vote 👍
That’s not worse. Genocide is genocide. Harris was already promising to roll back trans support and implement a worse version of Trump’s 2016 border policy. And you voted for that.
Our fight hasn’t changed. Yours has.
Hope you’re ready.
GLADD seems to disagree with you on Harris’ trans support policy.
I’d suggest you read:
This
This
and
This
You are free to wrongly accuse democrats of having changed their fight, but at least they have one. Your fight doesn’t even exist as evident in your failed attempt to send a message with your little…. protest votes.
Why are you pushing misinformation?
Probably because accepting that one was wrong, taking responsibility, and trying to make amends to those that one harmed is really hard.
Let me fill you in on how things would have gone down had you and your fellow
Trump SupportersbluEmAGa mouth breathers just shut up and advocated for Harris.Trump would have lost, he would have been sentenced to jail, MAGA would have likely imploded in on itself and the Republicunts would have been too busy running around panicking to do much
Then we could have all focused on pressuring the DNC/Harris over the next 2 years about Gaza and then if necessary taught them that lesson at the polls at midterms
But no, now we’re going to be too occupied with the SHOCK part of Trump’s shock and awe plan to do much of anything for the Palestinians let alone ourselves.
Please. Just stop. You’re hurting everyone.
I’m fairly certain that’s exactly what these bLuEmAgA folks wanted
A fair portion appear to be adherents to accelerationism, the homeopathy of political philosophy, so, yes.
Since this account is getting banned since I dared to disagree with a .world mod with access to the admin bot, no, lib, you’re hurting everyone.
You people need to die for progress to happen.
Accelerationism is survivor fantasy. Who says you won’t be in the ditch too?
People can suffer oppression nearly infinitely (see: North Korea). What gives people the strength to rebel is being put in a position where victory seems possible. Accelerationism is even less than a survivor fantasy - it’s a delusion that feeds the powers that be. Entrenched powers are almost never overthrown by the people at their most oppressive, because systems are often at their most oppressive when they feel most powerful. Entrenched powers are almost always overthrown by the people when the system weakens and offers compromise, because that’s when people believe they can make demands of the bastards and best them if they refuse.
Add in that literally no historical evidence appears to exist to suggest that accelerationism has ever had efficacy.
Its adherents are just doing their best to make other people suffer with a pie-in-the-sky hope that being class-traitors and offering up vulnerable groups as blood sacrifice will result, not just in a workers’ revolution but one that achieves their personal utopia, instead of getting coopted by theocracy or totalitarian dictatorships, as has frequently happened in history.
There it is, go back to your .ml tankie main account
Yep. It’s totally the fault of those willing to show solidarity. Willingness to work together with people they might disagree with for something positive who are the problem. Do you even read the insanity that you post?
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Full, mask off, core belief achievement on that one.