• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    You made my exact point at the end.

    “We don’t know” is not a statement of faith or belief.

    I don’t know how how my phone works. That doesn’t mean I believe in Android or Samsung. Humanity doesn’t understand why the expansion of the universe is accelerating, but that doesn’t make the reason for the acceleration a matter of faith. It’s simply a gap in knowledge.

    Knowledge is the realm of fact. Belief is the realm of the unknowable, not the unknown.

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      36 minutes ago

      Idk man, have you done the math on whether the universe expands yourself? Because i haven’t. I simply believe that the scientists who have aren’t lying to me, same as I believe that Jupiter is in fact a giant sphere of gas, because that’s what I’ve been told.

      No one can verify all of science, so we must all trust that those who came before us got things right (unless we discover that they didn’t ofc).

      Therefore, i believe in science.

    • luciferofastora@lemmy.zip
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      1 day ago

      That doesn’t mean I believe in Android or Samsung

      You do, in the sense that you believe they know what they’re doing.

      Humanity doesn’t understand why the expansion of the universe is accelerating, but that doesn’t make the reason for the acceleration a matter of faith. It’s simply a gap in knowledge.

      But you do believe that it expands and that there is a rational, scientific explanation for that. You believe in a reasonable, explainable universe.

      So do I, don’t get me wrong, but I’m trying to point out that there is a premise underpinning our theory of knowledge that is ultimately unknowable: That we can know at all, and that the methods of rationality lead us to that knowledge.