• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    If you mean by vigilantism, that’s a good way to get innocent people murdered. Unless you know some foolproof way for every random person out there who decides to take the law into their own hands to only kill the guilty. Good luck with that considering the history of “internet sleuths.”

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      Innocent people are already getting murdered. At least one murderer has now been held accountable that otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s a net positive to me so far.

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          When innocent people start dying because of this maybe I’ll give a shit. But the only people who have died from this is one horrible fucking monster. If you expect people to pretend to be sad about that then you’re a fool.

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            This guy thinks that if CEOs get killed, lots of innocent people will die. Yet we have a pretty good example of that not happening. My guess is that they still think “protesting” and “demanding” change actually creates it.

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              Yeah. Where I come from he have a word for people like him. It starts with an “I” and ends with a “diot.”

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                    You are a mod. That’s no lie. And look at your own comments…. You fight for doing nothing, and relying on other people to fight for you. Hate to tell ya bro, it ain’t working out.

                    (And if you are a cop, you’re a bad one)

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                  I’m the guy who thinks the trolley problem is a useless mental exercise that has no real-world analogue, but makes certain people like yourself feel superior to people like me.

                  And you are superior to me, but you don’t need to rub it in.

                  I have no idea why people insist on telling me what an utterly loathsome waste of space I am as if I didn’t already know. Believe me, if I wasn’t responsible for a child, I wouldn’t be wasting the space.

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            9 days ago

            I have shown two people now a couple of dozen links of vigilantism getting an innocent person beaten or killed. The idea that copycats here would somehow be an exception and this is the one time “internet sleuths” always get it right is silly.

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            Do you think if you ask me enough times, I’ll give you a different answer than

            “I don’t know how you figured out that I am very much definitely a cop for sure, but you’ve ruined 38 years of hard police work!”

            Because good luck with that.

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        It’s also easy to mistake one person for another. It’s happened over and over and over again. People with the same name as someone else get harassed because they get doxxed and the harassers don’t bother checking.

        You must know this. How many times have we seen it played out now?

        https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/vigilante-paedophile-hunters-online-police

        https://ethics.org.au/why-are-people-stalking-the-real-life-humans-behind-baby-reindeer/

        https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/08/17/543980653/kyle-quinn-hid-at-a-friend-s-house-after-being-misidentified-on-twitter-as-a-rac

        This poor guy killed himself over it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi

        And now we’ve added assassination into the mix.

        Do you really think this is going to end without any innocent blood spilled?

        Edit: It’s also not hard to convince a bunch of people some random person is an evil CEO just by doxxing them. Like I said, people don’t bother checking.

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          lol. These people are recognizable. You need to go to a lot of effort to locate and plan that. It’s highly unlikely anyone would “mistake” them for someone else. That’s like someone saying “I thought I was aiming at Elon Musk, at his house, but it turns out he has a doppelgänger who lives next door!”

          Really unlikely. Did you used to be a fed?

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            Please show me the odds. I assume you’ve calculated them. Because I gave you a ton of examples of the wrong person being identified, including people who the vigilante thinks were a totally different person but they looked like the person they wanted to attack.

            And I would like to know, like I asked someone else, where your line is. Is it okay if someone bombs a CEO in the middle of a city and a bunch of people around them die? If the CEO is with their family including an infant when they are attacked, is it okay if the infant is killed too?

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              No, we have a pretty good example of how to do it. Patience, low powder shells, home made silencer. Just don’t buy Starbucks or take a cab without changing clothes somewhere haha. Perhaps a prosthetic nose or a mustache.

              You’re going to the worst case, when that’s pretty unlikely. Who has a bomb?! lol. It’s guns. Single target. Simple.

              Again, you sound like a fed.

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                  The line is check your target, get them alone, and just them. That’s a fuck ton more than they do when they indiscriminately kill thousands of people by denying valid claims. They’re getting off easy.

                  So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?

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                    Why do you assume everyone wanting to do this vigilante thing will do that?

                    So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?

                    I’ve played this game before. If I say no, you’ll just claim I’m lying about it.

                    And it’s really silly to assume someone works or ever worked in law enforcement because they have seen a lot of vigilantes attack or kill the wrong person. Believe it or not, I just think that’s why vigilantism is a bad thing. You make a lot of silly assumptions.

                    But sure, I was totally in law enforcement.

                    Obviously this is an invented persona covering up my undercover police activites. Me and James Acaster. Curses, you found me out! I’m going to have to go back to the station and get a new mustache now.

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      People just want school shooters to update their targeting algos…

      But funny how we don’t have these moral discussions when school shootings happen though

      Hmm