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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opposed any deal letting Russia keep Ukrainian land, saying it would encourage other countries to break international rules.

Speaking to a NATO meeting, he highlighted Canada’s $19.5 billion aid to Ukraine and stressed the need to defend global stability.

Trudeau defended his plan to raise military spending to 2% of GDP by 2032 after criticism of Canada’s low defense funding.

He warned against isolating Ukraine, saying continued support is crucial to stop further global conflicts.

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    22 days ago

    Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We’ve helped, sure, but we need to do more.

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      22 days ago

      Agree 100% we can’t rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.

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        22 days ago

        You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.

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          17 days ago

          Finland has a pretty absurdly strong military. It really is a waste of money. But it has this military because it shares a border with Russia. If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded. That is what empires do. Finland’s military does not start war; it prevents it.

          Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can’t give up theirs either. Good luck convincing Russia to do that.

          Not long ago, I would have been in total agreement with you. The very idea of stealing land through invasion was so antiquated to me that I did not believe even Russia would do it until the moment their troops crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, I reluctantly am forced to conclude that not only is Russia that backward, it probably always was, and the only reason Finland has been safe all these years is because of the military that I thought was so absurd.

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            17 days ago

            If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded.

            That’s a speculation you are making, russia spend 20 times as much as finland does in war they wouldn’t have much problems invading finland if it was all about military strength.

            That is what empires do

            That’s true USA does the same.

            Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can’t give up theirs either.

            While finland spend less than russia NATO combined spend 20 times as much as russia does in war. Do you see where your logic leads? To match USA alone russia would have to tenfold their military budget.

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              Sure Russia could beat Finland in an invasion, eventually, but due to Finland’s army, it would be far more trouble than it’s worth. And let’s leave the USA out of this.

              Buuuut for as long as we’re not leaving the USA out of this, it is worth pointing out that Mexico and Canada do not live in constant fear of being invaded. Finland does, and this fear of invasion is very rational.

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        22 days ago

        Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending. Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves. This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.

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          Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending.

          Usa and nato spend 10 times more than what russia does. Open the link and do the math yourself. They have no good excuse to raise the military budget even according to your logic.

          Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves.

          Go check the history of your country, every authoritarian nation will try to do that. Raising military spending does not make people more secure, it only increase rulers and government power. Wars are fought by people not money.

          This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.

          Spending more on war will get you more war. You can see it happening right now in ukraine and middle east.

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            21 days ago

            There is only a war in Ukraine because Pootin illegally invaded it.

            War could stop tomorrow if he pulled forces back to Russias border.

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              21 days ago

              Ukraine attacking russia in their territory with US and NATO weapons isn’t going to make russia stop, it will give russia even more claims to keep up with the war. That’s how weapons give you more war.

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                21 days ago

                But it ok for Russia to attack any part of Ukraine?

                Typical bully behaviour- attacking someone weaker than themselves and then complaining when the victim fights back.

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                  They are not just complaining about it they are using it as leverage to their propaganda and to send more people into war.

                  Bullies a lot of times don’t attack you directly, they threaten you and piss you off until you end up attacking them. The reality of this war and pretty much all others is that there’s a bunch of rulers who benefit from war and seek more of it not less. During the past century USA and Russia have been provoking and fighting each others directly and in proxy wars. Cutting military budget to 0 is how you stop wars.

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                    21 days ago

                    “Cutting to zero”.

                    Wishful thinking. One side cuts to zero hoping the other side does the same, only to be attacked.

                    Or, Russia stops its illegal war of aggression.

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        Canada’s expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already. Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument. Also, Canada has a very real stake in ensuring russia doesn’t succeed given those coveted waters you guys have along the northern territories.

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          Canada’s expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already.

          Billions of dollars every year. You are feed up on propaganda, if mass media were to tell you that a billion is a big number you would be here complaining but propaganda have you thinking that you are not spending enough.

          Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument.

          I wonder if you have any clue how these money are being spend.

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            I’m not Canadian, and the only source of information about Canada’s military spending my statement is based off of is the one you provided.