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• Televangelist Kenneth Copeland says people who didn’t vote for Trump will hear the names of aborted ‘babies’ for all eternity

   
Previously

  • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    6 days ago

    Your claim doesn’t have anything to do with my original point other than semantic sports over whether the sun is a head. Philosophy and theology also don’t determine reality. We can only discover it through these means, the same way we can discover reality through science. The simple fact is that some philosophical, theological, and scientific hypotheses are closer to reality than others. The only way to dispute that would be to argue there is no objective truth, which is a self-defeating claim.

    Again, OP is making a meaningless argument.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      6 days ago

      There is no objective truth. You wanting to project objective truth does not make it more real. Reality is a mystery, and using tools incorrectly to fool yourself into objective truth is a miscarriage of science.

      You’re trying to apply materialism to allegory. Evaluating religion this way is a meaningless argument.

      • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        Is the statement that there is no objective truth objectively true? If so, there is some objective truth, and the statement is false. Like I said, it’s a self-defeating claim.

          • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 days ago

            What does set theory have to do with absolute truth? And if there is no absolute truth, how can any aspect of set theory be valid?

                • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  I can, but I won’t. This is no longer an entertaining use of my time. I’m not going to explain the implications of Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem to someone with such a shaky grasp of epistemology. Pearls before swine.

                  • the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    1·
                    6 days ago

                    It’s odd that you won’t explain your epistemology to someone, but you will claim moral/intellectual superiority in not explaining an actually important point after debating them on the hypothetical sentience of the sun for over a day. You can throw all the names of theorems you want at a conversation. but the simple fact is that “there is no absolute truth” is a self-contradictory statement. Any philosophy you build on such a fragile foundation is a non-starter.