What about the lack of turnout for KH? Am I reading the results wrong ? Was there not massive amounts on non voters? As much as I hate republicans the fence setters an uninformed have fucked us all outside the US
John Oliver’s segment on Palestinians really cemented it for me: if your family was killed by a missile sold to them by Biden, it’s really difficult to support his successor.
Sure you may not want the orange turd either.
But imagine the heartache of voting for the person related to the one who is responsible for the death of your family.
I know I can’t. And a part of me feels for them.
What upset me the most is that Harris used Hilary’s election plan verbatim. No one stopped to tell Harris that Clinton lost.
Sanders warned her that if she wants a good turn out, she needs to have a plan for the working class.
Instead she wasted weeks trying to get Republican endorsements instead of trying to shore up her base.
What upset me the most is that Harris used Hilary’s election plan verbatim.
She absolutely did not. Hillary leaned into the gender card hardcore. She had her supporters wearing t-shirts saying “I’m with her” with an arrow sign. She said “I’m not saying you should vote for me because I’m a woman, you should vote for me because of my qualifications. But one of my qualifications is…I’M A WOMAN!!!”
Kamala didn’t lean into any of this demographics, gender war trash. She (wisely) followed Barack Obama’s playbook of leaving the identify politics crap at the door. She lost for other reasons. Hillary alienated voters by leaning too hard into identity politics. Kamala ran a much better campaign than Hillary. They are not the same. Why Kamala lost will be debated for some time at least, but it will not be concluded reasonably that she lost for the same reasons Hillary lost in 2016. I know people want to conclude that women just can’t get elected, but we haven’t yet had a female candidate that ran a great campaign. As someone who wants our first female president, I have to reluctantly admit that we’ve been underserved by our female politicians thus far. I have high hopes for AOC in the future, but we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out. I don’t actually think Kamala did anything wrong in her campaign; I just think she was working against the legacy set by her predecessor, and it was too much. That, and too many American voters are stupid, ignorant, misguided voters. And, probably, some Pro-Palestinian voters had their heads up their asses.
2020 election saw massive turnout in favour of DNC. Then Biden did as much as he could to clean up Trump’s mess and make things better.
Kamala trusted that turnout, hoped people will know the work that was done, understand the threat of second Trump presidency, and vote in similar manner again.
In other words she trusted the people to be informed voters. And they backstabbed her.
Kamala trusted that turnout, hoped people will know the work that was done, understand the threat of second Trump presidency, and vote in similar manner again.
Don’t forget running to the right in an attempt to court R voters (just what every D constituent wants!) who (as usual) did NOT show up for her.
And she lost a race against the clock by starting her campaign in the eleventh hour. Those Google search trends showed that somehow a nonzero amount of voters didn’t even know she was the candidate and Biden had dropped out.
So many different variables in the mix make this election hard to compare to prior elections like 2016.
I chose to vote for Harris despite this because Trump would be no better on this, so effectively the issue wasn’t up for vote and I could only vote on the other issues that were different between them. But very bluntly, I don’t blame Arabs and Muslims for not voting for Harris. They have one of the strongest grievances one could possibly have (i.e. second only to attacks directly on them personally, in the U.S.), and the dismissiveness from Biden (and Harris) was downright insulting.
A part of me does feel like Biden chose Israel over Americans. I don’t know if changing course on this would have changed the election, and I guess it’s impossible to truly know.
The problem for the Democrats is that the tent is very big. There are a lot of issues and a lot of people who care about very different things.
Gaza, unfortunately, was one of those. We had people who grit their teeth and voted Harris even though it was going to hurt them.
On the other side, Jewish zionists would have absolutely turned on Harris if she fully supported Palestine. Harris made a pragmatic choice to not alienate the zionists in the hopes that her opponent would be so toxic that Palestinians would see the lesser of two evils.
The really frustrating thing is Republicans don’t have to run this kind of campaign. They can run a campaign on shit, fantasy, and rumor and their base will still show up and vote.
What about the lack of turnout for KH? Am I reading the results wrong ? Was there not massive amounts on non voters? As much as I hate republicans the fence setters an uninformed have fucked us all outside the US
John Oliver’s segment on Palestinians really cemented it for me: if your family was killed by a missile sold to them by Biden, it’s really difficult to support his successor.
Sure you may not want the orange turd either.
But imagine the heartache of voting for the person related to the one who is responsible for the death of your family.
I know I can’t. And a part of me feels for them.
What upset me the most is that Harris used Hilary’s election plan verbatim. No one stopped to tell Harris that Clinton lost.
Sanders warned her that if she wants a good turn out, she needs to have a plan for the working class.
Instead she wasted weeks trying to get Republican endorsements instead of trying to shore up her base.
She absolutely did not. Hillary leaned into the gender card hardcore. She had her supporters wearing t-shirts saying “I’m with her” with an arrow sign. She said “I’m not saying you should vote for me because I’m a woman, you should vote for me because of my qualifications. But one of my qualifications is…I’M A WOMAN!!!”
Kamala didn’t lean into any of this demographics, gender war trash. She (wisely) followed Barack Obama’s playbook of leaving the identify politics crap at the door. She lost for other reasons. Hillary alienated voters by leaning too hard into identity politics. Kamala ran a much better campaign than Hillary. They are not the same. Why Kamala lost will be debated for some time at least, but it will not be concluded reasonably that she lost for the same reasons Hillary lost in 2016. I know people want to conclude that women just can’t get elected, but we haven’t yet had a female candidate that ran a great campaign. As someone who wants our first female president, I have to reluctantly admit that we’ve been underserved by our female politicians thus far. I have high hopes for AOC in the future, but we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out. I don’t actually think Kamala did anything wrong in her campaign; I just think she was working against the legacy set by her predecessor, and it was too much. That, and too many American voters are stupid, ignorant, misguided voters. And, probably, some Pro-Palestinian voters had their heads up their asses.
2020 election saw massive turnout in favour of DNC. Then Biden did as much as he could to clean up Trump’s mess and make things better.
Kamala trusted that turnout, hoped people will know the work that was done, understand the threat of second Trump presidency, and vote in similar manner again.
In other words she trusted the people to be informed voters. And they backstabbed her.
Don’t forget running to the right in an attempt to court R voters (just what every D constituent wants!) who (as usual) did NOT show up for her.
Every fucking election ‘moderate’ Republicans play the part of Lucy and Dems play the part of Charlie Brown
And here I am thinking Lucy is establishment dems and Charlie Brows is progressives.
That would also fit.
Another would be Charlie as people who want police reform and Lucy being the Dems.
And she lost a race against the clock by starting her campaign in the eleventh hour. Those Google search trends showed that somehow a nonzero amount of voters didn’t even know she was the candidate and Biden had dropped out.
So many different variables in the mix make this election hard to compare to prior elections like 2016.
I chose to vote for Harris despite this because Trump would be no better on this, so effectively the issue wasn’t up for vote and I could only vote on the other issues that were different between them. But very bluntly, I don’t blame Arabs and Muslims for not voting for Harris. They have one of the strongest grievances one could possibly have (i.e. second only to attacks directly on them personally, in the U.S.), and the dismissiveness from Biden (and Harris) was downright insulting.
A part of me does feel like Biden chose Israel over Americans. I don’t know if changing course on this would have changed the election, and I guess it’s impossible to truly know.
The problem for the Democrats is that the tent is very big. There are a lot of issues and a lot of people who care about very different things.
Gaza, unfortunately, was one of those. We had people who grit their teeth and voted Harris even though it was going to hurt them.
On the other side, Jewish zionists would have absolutely turned on Harris if she fully supported Palestine. Harris made a pragmatic choice to not alienate the zionists in the hopes that her opponent would be so toxic that Palestinians would see the lesser of two evils.
The really frustrating thing is Republicans don’t have to run this kind of campaign. They can run a campaign on shit, fantasy, and rumor and their base will still show up and vote.