• leisesprecher@feddit.org
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    4 months ago

    It’s security theater through and through.

    Apart from the obvious failings of these checks, think about what kind of damage a single backpack of explosives can do to a packed airport during holiday season. You can literally put a ton of explosives on one of those trolleys, roll it into the waiting area and kill 200 people easily. No security whatsoever involved.

    Reality is, most security measures are designed to keep the illusion of control. Nothing more. Penetration testers show again and again that you can easily circumvent practically all barriers or measures.

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      4 months ago

      The goal is not to stop the people in the queue being attacked, its to stop someone boarding a plane with the means to hijack it

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        They fail gloriously at at that too.

        Whenever they get tested the red teams manage to smuggle in everything needed to hijiack a plane plus a kitchen sink.

        The few times that terrorists tried to board planes, they made it through security and were caught by other passengers.

        • Final Remix@lemmy.world
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          That’s what’s changed. Before, a hijacking meant a free trip to south America or Cuba. Now it means you’re likely to die if you don’t stop the hijackers. A planeful of pissed off passengers determined to live are gonna stop a would-be hijacker.

            • intensely_human@lemm.ee
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              Rigidly hierarchical control structures always carry the implicit assumption that those at the top are the good guys. (That is if they’re being sold as a way to ensure good)

              The common trope about “if you don’t have anything to hide why have privacy?” is overturned by challenging that assumption. Sometimes the guys doing the surveillance turn bad and then it’s a worse situation than if there wasn’t total surveillance.

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        4 months ago

        Yeah, and you don’t need the TSA for that. Just do as they already do: lock the cockpit.

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          4 months ago

          Little known fact: many of the pilots behind those locked doors are armed as well.

          The Flight Deck Officer program allows pilots to volunteer to become deputized Air Marshals. They receive training and are issued a badge and a gun.

            • w2tpmf@lemmy.world
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              4 months ago

              Police officers are mentally ill? Interesting take.

              Also, we’re talking about pilots that you are already trusting with you’re life and the lives of hundreds of people with you. If they were mentally ill they could just crash the plane and kill you.

              These guys are genuinely invested in maintaining the safety of human lives.

              • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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                4 months ago

                They should continue focusing on that instead of gun politics and their farcical contrived scenarios to have guns on a civil plane.

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
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          Well, conceivably those in the cockpit could be manipulated through other threats. Either threats to crash the plane, or threats to hurt the people in the back.

          • w2tpmf@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            Part of their training includes risk assessment that teaches them to sacrifice individuals if it is in favor of maintaining control of the plane.

            They flat out train them to shoot through a hostage someone is holding. That one person’s life isn’t worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of others on board as well is casualties on the ground.

          • Liz@midwest.social
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            4 months ago

            Nah, you literally just ground the plane whenever someone does something that rises to that level. Any threat someone could bring on a plane that could take it down is easily found by a bomb dog.

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        4 months ago

        Ah yes, it’s okay if we die, just don’t take the corporate infrastructure with you when you go…