I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Some nerding:
From a technical perspective that’s less an issue with people and more an issue with the technology design. People aim for the most comfortable, ergonomic way to hold a smartphone. Which is, you already know it, holding it “vertically” (= long side up, small side sideways). You can easily do it with one hand, whereas you usually need two hands to hold it horizontally. However, it is easily possible to place the camera sensor chip such that it can capture images in widescreen format even when holding the device vertically. Manufacturers usually don’t do this, because they want to allow a more intuitive handling, like “what you see is what you get”. If you hold the phone horizontally, this is directly reflected by a widescreen image and the other way around.
Since people also usually hold their phones vertically when using apps, several platforms, like YouTube for example as well as their content creators, have developed improved support for this. So you can continue mindless scrolling while enjoying more of an image. If the videos / images were in widescreen, the image would be scaled down and details might be missed when holding the device vertically. You would have a lot of black and just a small box in the middle with the images or videos. Probably everyone who reads this will have experienced this.
However, this is of course annoying for people who don’t mind holding the phone horizontally or who are watching videos on a widescreen device like a PC monitor. And that’s not a surprise. We humans evolved to have a larger field of view in horizontal than in vertical direction. We can see more to our sides, but less in up-down directions.
I don’t fear that movies or shows will be recorded in this format (other than for artistic purposes), since that’s a thing where even the comfortable “vertical phone holders” will prefer the wider screen format. But for cheap low effort content or shorter videos and if the target platforms are usually used on smartphones, this is probably a nuisance we have to learn to live with. ;)
That’s all fine and dandy, but what I can’t excuse is people exporting a portrait format to widescreen with black bars. Or the reverse, for that matter.
And I can’t stand content that has cropping baked in. At least in theory you can zoom in on uncropped content.
However, this is of course annoying for people who don’t mind holding the phone vertically or who are watching videos on a widescreen device
I think you meant to write “horizontally” here :)
Yes. Thank you, a little mistake. Fixed it. :) (After 3 months. :D )
Better late than never :)
Only if you want to film ants.
Do you want to film ants? Because that’s how you film ants!
I think this is the best explanation I’ve ever seen to the reapond to the vertical video complaint. Thank you!
You’re welcome. :>
Ironically, the text on this meme is so small that I had to zoom in on it on my vertical phone to be able to read it
How is that ironic? It’s exactly what we expect when you hold your phone in the wrong orientation for the aspect ratio of the image displayed.
Dude, I couldn’t agree more. There should be a special place in hell for people who shoot vertically.
Why can’t the software have an option to hold your phone vertically but shoot horizontally? How is this not fixed yet?
Because the sensors are landscape 4:3 and you would lose resolution when doing so.
AFAIK there’s no other reason other than that and giving people the option might confuse people.
Many camera sensors in phones are so high resolution nowadays, you could fit 4K video in any orientation
I agree! I wonder if there’s already camera apps that do this?
In any case, unless it’s in the default camera app and a default option, it will likely do nothing to reduce the plague of vertical video. I would guess that most people filming something that would be better in landscape didn’t even think about it, so won’t think about turning an option on.
There is and has been for a while: https://horizon.camera/
Love this app, used it for years. I’d love to see them get picked up as a standard camera app on a big brand manufacturer so all the others would create their own version.
Many sensor are 3:2 or non trivial ratios because of how the color filter pattern is aligned. Why do you think the sensors are 4:3?
I realise sensors come in other aspect ratios, but I didn’t want to spend the time researching and listing them all. Some sensors are 4:3 (like the IMX363).
But that’s irrelevant to my point that the sensor is not square which means you lose more resolution cropping to 16:9 in one orientation (usually portrait) than the other.
I used to have a phone with a special camera that took 16:9 landscape video while the phone was in portrait mode. Good times.
So it’s definitely possible for the phone manufacturers to implement they just choose not to.
They’d figure it out real quick if manufacturers could ask agree to build sensors turned 90 degrees and disable recording in portrait. Obviously keep the possibility to take photos, but disable video recording.
Then I sit back and watch to see what happens next. I see a few possibilities.
1- Highly unlikely, but newer phone sales go in the toilet, while the second market goes crazy with people trying to get phones that still have the portrait camera. People will be confused at first, but most people tend to pick it up quick and just incorporate it as the new normal. It would have to be coordinated as a big launch at once, to force quick adoption.
2- People just kind of shrug and move on with it, like they did with changes like headphone jack removal, or charger non-inclusion. Except this time, it’s a good thing.
3- TikTok dies a horrible death, and YouTube shorts jumps on the market, finally becoming an actual thing that’s not just a backup copy of TikTok content. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a short that was made for YouTube, not for TikTok.
I think someone will make an app that overrides the IMU measurements so the phone thinks it’s in landscape when it’s portrait, then use another app to rotate the video to be vertical.
If you did that, then your video feed would always be using less pixels than it could have otherwise if the orientation of the camera and display matched though, the result could be seen at better resolution after shooting, but that would be pretty tedious
Wait till the vertical TV comes out, and then the vertical cinema, oh and of course the first vertical movie that guaranteed gets an Oscar…
You mean Samsung the Sero? :’(
Then you have the opposite.
Fucking dimwits uploading stretched 19:6 gameplays to YouTube of videogames that were designed for a 4:3 aspect ratio.
No, you idiot; Gran Turismo 2 wasn’t designed for widescreen.
I hate when they do that to TV shows. Of course watching it in 4:3 with black bars is better than having it zoomed into to get 16:9, but have the top and bottom cut off.
I don’t know why it’s hard to understand that having the complete picture without half of it removed is superior. You can still zoom in on literally any TV from the past what like 15 years at least, right?Dude, back in my day, I’d regularly have customers bitch and moan about “the black bars cutting off my picture” when they’d rent the widescreen edition of something by accident. People are idiots.
Idk…most people probably aren’t familiar with aspect ratios at all, let alone what aspect ratio their own TV supports. Especially back in the day your talking about. I wouldn’t just write them off as idiots, it’s a pretty simple mistake to make. Especially for those who simply don’t care to track this information in their brains; which is completely reasonable in this age of information overload.
Zoom or stretch depending on which one the viewer prefers.
Personally either drives me nuts.
Well just zoom out then, duh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In case you aren’t joking, a video in the original 4:3 format can be zoomed in to watch it in 16:9 cropped or stretched to 16:9. But a video that has already been stretched usually can’t be destretched and one that has been cropped cannot be zoomed out.
I just can’t understand how people can notice and be bothered by black bars but not a horribly distorted picture (or even having half the image cropped away.)
Nah everyone in the 90’s really was squashed-looking. The video games are true to life.
I will say, I frame based on the subject & purpose of the video. Leaving aside platform requirements (TikTok’s vertical-only format), I don’t mind shooting vertical if it’s a 1-person eye-level video, especially if I need to get their whole figure in the shot. More than 1 person and it’s horizontal.
What I seethe with rage at are the idiots who shoot historical events (tsunamis, daring rescues, sporting events or any fast action) vertically and then firehouse the camera back & forth trying to capture the action. Those people should be smacked and their phones taken away.
Vertical video is for teens. You sign an agreement never to do that again when you turn 18. Those who film vertical after the age of 18 are forever forbidden from leaving Facebook
Oh shit, so that’s what happened to all my friends. :(
Overall 16:9 is mostly better than 4:3 if you aren’t scaling up the size and price of your screen with the cube of the diagonal length, and I’m glad we’ve moved on to 16:9, but 4:3 wasn’t actually ever that bad. It’s fine. Not great, but fine. There’s no need to be melodramatic about it.
I don’t think anyone thinks 4:3 was that bad, it’s just being used as a precursor/setup for “stop recording in vertical!!”
I like 4:3 aspect ratio, gives video a better sense of height. Grand Budapest Hotel looked amazing, and it’s mostly in 4:3.
3:2 is my favourite aspect ratio though, shame moves and TV never adopted it.
Right. I like 16:9 too but also enjoy 4:3 a lot. Content can be improved using either depending on the shots. I don’t get how ones better than the other though I’ll admit widescreen does seem more versatile. I don’t like how these things are viewed as linear upgrades. Reminds me of when 3D games started coming out. We’ve come back around to 2D but for awhile many people viewed these things as a linear progression.
What, you don’t like watching videos like you’re looking through a keyhole?
I say we change the ratio to metric paper
Hell yeah ISO 216 forever babyyyyyyy
I believe one of the overpriced Google tablets actually did use 1: √2 ratio, but they didn’t stick with it. Of course, google has the attention span of a lobotomized gerbil so they don’t stick with anything.
I blame Snapchat for it still being this way in 2023
awful 4:3 box ratio
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