Inasmuch as I disagree with XR, I disagree with this meme more.

  • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    Has this person ever driven past a factory farm?

    They aren’t grassy. They’re muddy and full of shit. You can also smell them from a mile away.

    Ever driven by a patch of solar panels and turbines? It’s mostly just empty space. Not exactly tranquil–more mundane, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a farm.

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        Isn’t that… everyone?

        I don’t exactly go around thinking “man all these people who disagree with me are so fucking brilliant, unlike me, I’m a total dumbass!”

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          Bring up Einstein’s anti-capitalist critique and see what they say?

          Even if I tried very hard to imagine myself as a chud the cognitive dissonance of unironically saying “yeah unfortunately the smartest man ever was right about almost everything. The one thing he got wrong? Capitalism of course!”.

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            Bring up Einstein’s anti-capitalist critique and see what they say?

            There’s also a lot of brilliant scientists who are Libertarian weirdos, also I think Einstein was a Zionist. The logic here doesn’t really hold, being brilliant in one field doesn’t make you universally brilliant, you can recognize Einstein was a brilliant physicist but think he was wrong about other stuff.

            I think what people mean when they say “you just think you’re opinions are smarter than everyone else” is “you’re less open to challenging your own opinions”. The former statement makes no logical sense, an opinion is by definition something you think is correct, if you thought your own opinion was wrong it would no longer be your opinion.

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              Einstein had a very weird for today Zionism going on. He essentially wanted Jewish mass immigration to Palestine but opposed a Jewish state being created.

              His quote from 1938

              I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. … If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience.

              A decade later he was comparing the Israeli government to the nazi government. So zionist, yeah, but not the way you’d think when you hear zionist.

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            Yeah I recognize there are people smarter than me in certain things, for sure. I don’t exactly go around proclaiming opinions that I think are incorrect, that would be weird, “here is my opinion, by the way I think it’s wrong!” Why would it be my opinion then? An opinion by nature is something I think is correct, if I thought other peoples opinions were smarter than mine wouldn’t I just change my opinion to theirs?

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      Ever driven by a patch of solar panels and turbines? It’s mostly just empty space.

      They’re so cool. We drive past a bunch of them on the way to visit family every summer. Most people don’t realize how M A S S I V E turbines can be. They’re all sprinkled around on still existing, real family farms. Like the top picture, but with enormous propellers towering over them.

      It’s rad as hell. And if you don’t look reeeeeealllly high up, you would barely even notice them on foot.

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        I second this. US agricultural industry really wants people to believe “farmers” are just kindly salt-of-the-earth types tending to their fields and its been super powerful propaganda. Hell, even implying that “real” America is an agrarian society has done numbers.

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          Go to any grocery store in the US. Go to the produce section and look around for romantic imagery of farmlands, happy cows, or giant stalks of wheat. It’s right there in the consumerism.

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          How do they think this much fucking meat ends up in their gaping maws? There’s some easy to ballpark math if they consider how much meat they eat alone and multiply that by an estimation of the US population and that cute little farm shown in the comic with one sheep and two female cows is pretty logically not how it’s going. Look at a grocery store shelf or realize fast food is hamburgers and it falls into place real easy. I figured out commodity fetishism when I was like 8 from reading Calvin and Hobbes and got a better understanding later, I get others didn’t but to be an adult that doesn’t understand things have to come from somewhere is really something else.

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      On Sundays I work the farmers market and the stall next to me is cheese from a idyllic looking farm like the picture. Like 4oz of cheese curds are $15 with my vendor discount.