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  • Well if it’s really absolute then you could legally point a knife at someone and say “give me your money” . You haven’t caused physical harm at that point and you’re only exercising your freedom of speech.

    You could say OK, that’s not allowed because you’re mugging somebody and that’s a threat of violence. But in that case you’ve carved out an exception for threats of violence and therefore calling for violence against a person or group also becomes not allowed.

    What about exceptions for fraud? What about for verbal abuse or harrassment?

    And if you’re going to have exceptions, then how do you deal with obfuscated language and insinuation? “Would be a real shame if something bad were to happen to your family” - is that allowed? A nice friendly, supportive comment like that? If you can’t say that you can’t say anything.

    Or that’s usually how it goes with people defending hate speech or veiled threats of racial violence.


  • I think disappointment in people is a very reasonable attitude. In fact I think cynicism towards people in general is one of the core defining attitudes of our time, and it transcends political boundaries.

    But as a filthy leftoid, I believe that there are socio-economic forces which are responsible for how people are in a given era. The spread of misinformation on the internet, social alienation, poor education with no media literacy, logic or critical thinking - these are not innate flaws in human kind, they are failures of society that can be fixed.

    So you can see we have a real problem, because leftism and even liberalism is built upon respect for and faith in humanity - but very few act like it.




  • Absolutely right on point A.

    Point B: This is wrong and you’ve obscured the idea. " we ( potential third party voters ) must vote for them because we ( left voters as a whole ) are voting for them " It’s not circular logic, they are two different groups.

    So as someone who wants the DNC ( and the GOP ) to disappear, here’s what I think are the important questions:

    1. At what point does a third party become viable?
    2. How do you build support for a third party when the spoiler effect is real and everyone knows it?

    IMO a good idea would be a threshold system. So anyone can join the party and say, " I will vote if there are X commited voters ". If not, the party stands down. They get to build support without spoiling the vote.

    This is all theoretical of course since the US may have just had it’s last election.












  • 1 ) public ignorance is a widespread social force not a personal character fault that happens to individually affect the majority of the population.

    2 ) This attitude of moral contempt is actively repellent to the people we need to reach out to, who do not subscribe to your premise. A lot of people don’t think they are fascists - they are wrong, but they’ll still look at you funny unless you can do a damn good job of making the argument. The Dems couldn’t, the media couldn’t, and nobody is watching it anyway. WE have to do it. Make better arguments and reach out to people instead of circlejerking and making our opponents arguments for them.