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What a hilarious way to put it

Prisoners aren’t taught how to do chores, they are in “involuntary servitude” aka slavery. One of these tasks was being fire fighters in the most dangerous part of fire fighting, stopping wild fires. I guess you should look up what people were talking about in this thread. gootbye

California prisoners are used as fire fighters on wild fires.

Beautiful. See, this it’s done

Oh wow, we are doing these savages a service! Now, go put out that wildfire, unclean one /s

Jesus, this sounds like Europeans landing at whatever they colonized centuries ago

It was an art form, subtle and truly beautiful to behold. Now look at what it has become. Truly makes you cry

First of all, the thing I was responding to was your comment on 3rd party voters who (last I checked) had less votes than were needed to bring the Dems over the finish line. Jill Stein is a grifter who is probably on Russian payroll, but she is not the problem.

Second, I can make the same argument as you: the party risked it all to run on a corpo interest campaign even though people were fed up on it, just so they hadn’t have to anger those interests by running a more successful one. Now queer people are in danger because of it. What you’re saying is that instead of a party running a campaign that hinges on misinformed people voting for them, on a platform that doesn’t do anything for them, these misinformed voters are at fault. It’s just not.

This goes into the third point, you say those were the only two choices Americans had. These choices aren’t static. We all had the same conversation when it came to Joe Biden being the nominee, people also were saying Dems had to change their candidate. But people like you were saying no, these are our choices, deal with it. But after the debate all of a sudden change was so easy and natural. Your argument is bullshit. Harris nominated Walz as VP and was lining up a more progressive stance. But after some neolib pollster told her that doesn’t win her stuff, guess what? She changed her campaign back. By the way the Dems should litigate for damages on these pollsters and open up homeless shelters in their offices.

The people are racist and misogynist. Everybody knows that. Most people are living paycheck to paycheck, can’t afford housing and groceries and would rather vote a fascist who promises to change things. The Democratic party set up a campaign that hinges on these peoples virtue and promised things staying the same as before instead of change. That is the problem.

Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

3rd party didn’t amount to shit. It’s the lack of a campaign that has any messages other than “vote us or you’ll get Hitler” and “we’re Republican Lite, the reasonable racist”. It’s the chasing of a handful of Republican voters which didn’t amount to shit instead of coming up with popular progressive points that are simple and effective.

50k for a home loan if you’ve been a good boy is weak. Pro military shit is exhausting. Doing nothing on Gaza was unpopular, but hey AIPAC loves it. Saying you won’t do anything different from Biden was sweet and touching for Old Joe, but a horrible idea to win an election where he’s been unpopular.

You just can’t fathom that this is the Democrats fault, eh? It was their Republican Lite campaign, so it’s their fault. Not young people, not Latinos, not muslims. Leftists couldn’t say shit about how this wouldn’t workall year, because that would only help Trump. Now they’re at fault. Maybe you can think about a course change for once instead of blaming anybody but the party elites that are only invested in donor interests.

Harris had the slight problem of 4 years of being VP to Biden where people aren’t better off and then saying she is basically doing the same as Biden.

And people are misogynist and racist.

I think your boogeyman leftist who scolds people who wanna vote Harris had a marginal to no effect on the results.

In my opinion people who vote Trump are of course racist and misogynist but also desperate for change. And I think they are stuck in Republican media that tells them Trump doesn’t really wanna infringe women’s rights that much and immigrants are roving the country, wrecking communities. They are stuck with sky high cost of living with no change in their wages for decades and to them Trump will bring change to the system, I don’t know why but apparently they do. And his solution is outlaw being different. You and I know that’s not a solution to anything, but they buy it.

I believe their plight is real, although their world view about other people and what the real problem is has nothing to do with reality. But Democrat messaging amounts to “everything is fine, we’ll keep everything the same” and nobody believes that. Harris has some good policies that she brought up once or twice, but for the most part she goes with the 50k home loan if you’ve been a good kid thing. That won’t change shit for people who aren’t even close to buying a house. Lead your campaign with anti price gouging policies for example if you want to campaign with something people want and understand. I could go on a rant about catering to right wing voters as well and how it’s a stupid strategy.

The problem people like you seem to have is your belief that people are only obligated to vote Kamala and that you expect them to have the same level of trust in the Democratic party as you. They aren’t and they don’t. The party establishment insist that the number say the economy is growing therefore everyone is fine. Is that really the vibe that people are feeling?

Do you think leftists were the reason Donald Trump got voted?

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Yes and no. Of course he has power and connections, but to his followers he is an outsider (although I don’t understand how they ignore everything that shows the opposite) and the media and many politicians treat him (rightfully) as a pariah. That gives him legitimacy in the eyes of his or undecided voters.

Now, nothing he proposes will change anything for the vast majority of his voters for the better, in fact it will make things worse. And that’s ignoring everybody else, especially migrants. But when he says “I see your problems, voters, here’s the solution: fascism”, they more readily believe him because he is perceived as an outsider, not like politicians who frankly haven’t done shit for them.

If insiders have done fuck all except blow money up billionaires asses, who can blame voters for liking outsiders?

Looks more like it has a cows face. Like in cartoons. Two tiny black eyes close together and big nostrils far apart

First of all, at this point people in the US should vote against Trump for their safety, and that means in the current political system they have to vote for Harris. That’s the reality they have to face. The Trump party has made fascist announcements that are real and people should expect them to be made into real actions.

The problem is that the Democrats frankly have abysmal messaging and are drifting to the right further and further while using Trump as a threat to their voters. They adopt anti-immigrant policies and are distancing themselves from pro-LGBT stances, saying it’s the states decision. Both these issues as well as demands for a ceasefire poll exceptionally well, but the Harris campaign seemingly don’t want the edge. With all this they are signaling that right wing worries about immigrants and trans people are valid, although that’s absolutely not the case, and leave people to decide for example “do I want anti-immigrant light or extra harsh anti-immigrant?” when everybody says immigrants are an issue. This is unacceptably stupid and risking the vote. And that’s ignoring the elephant in the room that progressive policy like health care is exceptionally popular and using that as counter messaging would win her voters.

We’ve seen how popular the Democrats got after Harris took over and Walz got nominated. It signaled change. Now all the Democrats say that it’s gonna be the same old as usual treading on and the same bad argument vote us or you’ll get a dictatorship. I’m not denying Biden dropping out had nothing to do with the surge of popularity, but back then we also had comments like here, basically declaring any dissent from supporting a decrepit old man as the candidate as heresy. Now there are again, only Yes men here saying if you criticize Harris you’re a bot or a Trump ass eater. What is wrong with you?

Finally, I have the creeping suspicion that Democratic establishment people don’t fear a fascist Trump administration themselves personally as much as the population has to. Trump announces he will go after his enemies, Latinos and trans people (probably all queer people actually). He has anti women’s health and rights messaging all over his campaign. But that doesn’t seem to be a risk for people higher up in the party. I suspect that when you’re rich you don’t have to worry about abortion bans or HRT access. And if Trump threatens them with violence they always have money they can throw at him. It’s much more comfortable to run a risky neo liberal and right wing platform against a fascist if you can jump ship later on.