It’s certainly easy for people who want the status quo to never change to demand an endgame from those that want it to change.

That’s an incorrect assumption and doesn’t answer the question.

You want constructive? Ok. Gee, it’s great how the “good” party is supporting genocide. Best shit ever. Glad they were willing to go to bat for Netanyahu even though it meant losing to Trump.

Your candidate (remember you said you voted Harris) supported that so gtfo with your righteous indignation. If you want to play that game you’re to blame as well.

I don’t expect her to be exempt from criticism, and I don’t scream that anyone who doesn’t love genocide and only genocide like you do is a Russian like you did in our other conversation.

OK? Criticize all you like, that’s what I was doing before you decided that somehow YOUR support for Harris was different than every other persons on lemmy.

Now fuck off Vlad.

There’s plenty of blame to go around and the DNC bear the majority of it for sure.

The republican party is constantly able to dominate the conversation. Every election cycle they decide whether immigration/economics/war/whatever is what will be discussed and the democrats try to play defense instead of just calling them out.

“Death panels already exist do you want them to be purely for-profit?” it’s not even that hard they’re just incompetent.

shaming voters is and always will be a losing strategy.

That’s fine, I’m not a strategist or PR freak. I’m some random person on the internet.

I don’t have a clue what you are referring to with these vague references of revolution,

I’m not 100% sure either but I bet we’re gonna find out over the next decade or so.

What’s your actual endgame then?

I see you talking a lot of shit but you don’t actually have anything constructive to say. Makes it look like you’re just arguing in bad faith or worse.

I have a question for you: how is your support of Harris any different than anyone elses?

Sure thing, I’m a registered independent Vlad.

edit: lol at the instant down vote, what you are is increasingly apparent.

YOUR party lost by trying to be Republican-lite and not running on more progressive policies. I don’t care what you consider yourself (any more than you care about me).

It’d be cool if we could have productive conversations here but I think it’s becoming very apparent why the Democratic party lost and especially why “the left” will never make any progress in the U.S., the only firing squad the left can muster forms in a circle.

So I guess your original comment should’ve been “MY party lost by listening to centrists” shouldn’t it?

So, you did go vote for Harris or didn’t?

I’m shaming dumbfuck voters, abstainers, and the DNC.

Start the revolution or roll over and take it unlubed, we’re all waiting.

You also don’t do logical conclusions apparently.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said except.

Continuing to try and shame voters for not supporting your candidate isn’t going to accomplish anything

Who was MY candidate? I had to vote for the same milquetoast dem every other functional adult did. I weighed the options and made a decision. If some hypothetical non-voters think they have a better solution let’s see it, they should be ashamed. Sitting in basements screeching online doesn’t accomplish anything so let’s fucking go.

I’m just waiting for the revolution to start, that’s what we all want right?

Other voters in swing states had real issues with

I’m not sure those voters exist. Lemmy thinks that they do but i don’t see any evidence that they’re real people.

At any rate there’s little difference between not-voting and not-existing in the grand scheme so now we get to see what happens when an unashamed fascist wins and surrounds himself with yes men.

Unless those principled non-voters are ready to arm themselves and actually agitate, they might as well not exist and we can proceed accordingly.

“other reasons I’ve heard that don’t involve the economy and low information voters.”

Seems pretty obvious, lemmy is just a weird toxic place where everyone jumps at the chance to argue with any comment even though we all agree about 90% of this stuff.

Progressives turned out to vote for the obviously less dangerous to America candidate.

Terminally online internet leftists sat at home in their basements and want feel like they’re revolutionaries.

Start a revolution champ, we’re all waiting.

I assume this is what people were thinking.

I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.

I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.

Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.

So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.

“Your” party didn’t even show up, why would anyone listen to them?

Edit: hey at least a couple of you learned how to vote! Maybe try doing that irl and not just on the internet!

And leftists vastly overestimate their popularity and numbers.

Hating men is okay and if you point it out you’re an abusive rapist.

We shouldn’t judge groups of people based on the actions of a minority, unless it’s men.