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Cake day: August 5th, 2023

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  • I’m not an psychic, but I’d imagine the more we deport, the more wages will go up

    I think it’s a reasonable assumption, but the reason I was asking for the basis for that hope is because I was hoping you had done some research and found some data to base that assumption on. It could have been a solid basis for it. In the UK, where Brexit was touted to achieve the same goal, the wages did go up (not a very good source, but well) however they ended up asking for the pickers, truck drivers, and handiworkers to return (EuroNews 2021, BBC 2023, Le Monde).

    If you were to take a look at Germany (3rd biggest economy in the world), it struggles to get workers for elderly care and instead of increasing wages to attract more people, they are instead making easier to hire abroad e.g India.

    The biggest side effect would be higher rates for fruit/veggies and for landscaping. But I’d pay extra for fruit I know is grown ethically. I already do, as much as I try.

    I agree that the cost of food and landscaping will go up, which could be troubling for some who hoped for the opposite. Given how wages have not risen at the same rate as inflation, it is difficult to share your hope for increased wages - be it for the pickers and landscapers or the people paying for the produce and services. But, I may be wrong, I’m not a psychic either.

    I do commend you for willing to pay more for ethically grown (and harvested) fruit. Whether your fellow countrymen and women are is yet to be seen.


    In conclusion, my fear is that while there might be mass deportations and a real chance of wages going up, IMO the most likely outcomes are

    • a drastic labour shortage in under-regulated and low-wage jobs previously held by the deported
    • a quick increase in products and services of said jobs
    • following options:
      • lobbying to simplify and speed up the return of said workers to keep wages / costs down
      • prison workers being forced to do the jobs (some places already do that) --> prison industrial complex growth
      • wage increases starting from minimum wage to attract US citizens to do the jobs
      • lots of businesses going bankrupt followed by consolidation by larger businesses and acute risk or establishment of monopolies

    Whether those are all good, whether they happen together or separately, I don’t know, but my hopes aren’t very high that the total outcome will be positive.

    Good luck though.



  • I love the fact that you ignore the parents who put them on the planet saying “they can solve it” then going on to destroy be dicks to people and the environment. I love it that you completely forget about the Fridays for Future, Last Generation, the people glueing themselves to the streets in protest, lots of other movements, and the ensuing reaction “oh, you’re children, STFU”. Funny how selective memory works.

    Oh, but by all means, keep self pruning your evolutionary tree branch.

    Yes, by all means, keep pumping out units and teaching them to condescend against others online. They’ll surely change the world in a positive way. Don’t forget to tell your children how nobody did nothing, but you, oh so brave and valiant Shardikprime, forced them into the world to bestow a wonderful life in the climate wars. They’ll be so grateful for your thoughtfulness.



  • I’m not going to say it was your intention, but it reads like “immigrants are lowering the literacy rate”. It’s something I’ve seen too often.

    Regardles, from the page you linked:

    54% of adults have a literacy below sixth-grade level

    That would not be explained by a 13.8 percent of foreign-born residents.

    According to researchers, 4 out of 5 Americans 18 and over possess medium to high proficiency in English reading and writing.

    The emphasis is because “American” is not the same as “foreign-born resident”.















  • The reasons for being uncomfortable lead to the actions taken when uncomfortable. It’s like going to the doctor and feeling “pressure” which can range from a slight jab of the finger to find out where it hurts to having your elbow being shoved back into your socket. In this case, being aware of issues, wanting to be part of the solution and feeling welcome is very different from being called the problem, regardless of background and intentions, and being treated as an enemy that has to be subdued. Two very different types of “discomfort”.

    The patriarchy still exists, and the only people that can dismantle it are men because they hold the institutional power to do so.

    I disagree. Just like with climate change, politics, pollution and so much more, there is rarely (if ever) one single point in the system that has power to change it. The majority gives in to the system, then blames it without trying to change themselves first. Women make up ~50% of the population and will consistently vote candidates who do not represent their interests. The same goes for ecologists, left-wingers, anti-establishment types, anti-corporation voters, and so on. We are, at heart, short-sighted, tribal egoists unable to comprehend the power we hold in numbers. Instead tearing each other down while the rich few can control us in our disarray.

    These alt-right “influencers” have learned how to take advantage of the fact that these young men don’t want to put the work in to make the women around them feel safe.

    This is exactly what I’m talking about in my first paragraph. A sweeping, condescending generalization about young men that paints them lazy, disinterested, and dumb. Do you really that’s how you win over anybody? Do you think if I said “hey, princessnorah, you lack the mental capacity to comprehend my words, but that’s OK, you’re a woman, so I’ll spell it out for you” that would be a good start to a discussion? Probably not. So why do you think it’s the right approach to convince young men?