However, it’s important to emphasise that social science has so far failed to provide definitive answers.

Yeah thats traditionally not the job of the social sciences or science in general.

Thank you for educating me, I absolutely did get the sappy propaganda version of that story. I do WISH we could convince people not to use the symbol but I admit that’s something I only wish was possible because it would give us a prescriptive answer to emerging hate symbols.

On a long enough timescale maybe people can recoup the symbol back to its/their original forms; but we live now, and I find it unlikely. And the danger we face now from symbols with plausibly deniable hate built into them is considerable.

Did you notice we were talking about an emergant cartoon frog hate symbol and now we’re having a one hundred year old debate about the last great hate symbol? If we don’t draw lines, what is the protocol of protecting ourselves from fully unironic uses of would be hate symbols? I am not saying CENSOR PICTOGRAMS I DON’T LIKE. I am saying there isn’t a way to stop people from abusing our reticence towards censorship and tolerance of the gray without intense scrutiny and educating people about the symbols. That does kinda mean telling Buddhists that their sign of peace is our sign of death. First the culture shock, then the bitter arguments and singed pride. What should come next then?

Its a complicated thing for sure. I think its worth considering that the Native Americans whose version of the symbol was most directly copied elected to give it up, and that was in 1920. How could we ask Buddhists to give up their symbol of peace? If it isn’t fair to Buddhists, why did the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, and Tohono O’odham feel like they HAD to?

And that was a decade before the mass killings of the Holocaust. A decade before America intervened.

I fear the answer is there is no right answer. Sometimes groups make incredible leaps of empathy like that, but like hell was it fair to them.

The Swastika interestingly is four right angles, so the symbol occurs all over human society hundreds and even thousands of years before Nazism found it.

People thought any symbol so common throughout history had to be a quasi-good thing. They used it as a general sign of good luck. About the only thing that even comes close to the swastikas ubiquity and thrust of sentiment post-war is the “smiley face” symbol.

The Nazis saw all this and sent scam archeologists around the world to unearth and then piece together a narrative that their Aryan supermen ancestors had been the rightful masters of the earth. From the moment they made that decision, it’s had the stink of human ashes wafting off it ever since. Fire, wind, fortune, ‘North’, Kali’s creative destruction, and dozens more meanings all wiped away. So many cultures and groups robbed of a symbol or perhaps a phoneme even with their own contexts.

Draw the right angles. It is the wheel that crushes now. It means hate. We have a conditioned response as a society to it and each one of us personally has our own gutteral secret feelings about it. But the old meanings are all dead.

One of fascism’s best features is simply bald faced stealing. They stole that symbol from thousands or millions of people who used it every day. Pepe at least carries his own eternal chagrinn with him in protest of being used as a dogwhistle, but thats about it. His expressions are your expressions.

Pepe is damaged goods though. He endures well past his relevance and utility as an internet comic character when very similar concepts (rage faces, Polandball) have had their time and slowly lost ubiquity. But Pepe endures not JUST as a Nazi dogwhistle but as a symbol that even if someone is not right wing they still would like to convey a certain unsociable edginess, like a colorful threat display on a jungle animal. The disposessed middle class, the failure to launch kids, the kissless sensitive souls, all find commonality with the frowning frog. And these are the people they target. People use Pepe as a flare to suggest they’re in pain and only feel safe talking about it to other anonynous people on the same boat. Aka the most vulnerable to radicalization. Clinging to Pepe is advertising that you are looking for something that you don’t even know what it is, but normies can’t or won’t give it to you. Pepe is a green light to radicalization.

And like the various versions of the swastikas before they became THE Swastika, Pepe did nothing to deserve this. Just like everyone else under Nazi occupation.

Remember these days you ran interference for RFK Jr because you were too afraid to face up to the truth of what he was actually suggesting. It is a sour feeling and I say that with experience. People said the same thing about migrant camps and family seperation at the border. They said the same about Roe v Wade. They said the same thing about random deportations. Assuming you’re being genuine I have to ask you to learn to expect the worst and merely hope for the best. This man aggressively doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about and when you defend him you sound the same way.

We feeling green yet Green voters?

Diversity Equity Inclusion

If you’re against those things its because you bought the fucking timeshare like a real tool. You bought the monorail, you’ve been sold a bill of goods. You’re being grifted by people trying to collapse the social order for a quick buck. From the Youtubers who don’t brush their teeth to big money investors setting the decades long culture war agendas to the anonymous state actors pushing it all for geopolitical gains, you’ve been fucking HAD into repeating Nazi talking points. For over ten fucking years now.

Whats the DEI group doing? Making lists of games including blacks, browns, queers, etc etc, then declaring WE BOYCOTT THESE GAMES BECAUSE WE DO NOT LIKE ANY DIVERSITY. Then you raid the review page and leave hatespeech on it and flood 4chan with a bunch of schizoposts about a random sensitivity reading company. The Shadow Government that controls this tiny sensitivity reading outfit apparently wants to ruin specifically video games even though they are the most devastatingly wealthy private investment group coupled with a private military on this planet and could do just about anything in this world built for and run by rich men.

The DEI censoring groups are right wing extremists trying to train gamers into hate crime afficianados. And they are all ultimately pawns for the real goal of the movement which is to put all non-whites and non-males back in the fucking box even in our own realms of fictive escape.

Drop this horse shit about freedom of speech on the world wide web. These debates over online censorship brought us Trump, again. He will proceed to advance this agenda of censorship of non-white and non-male media because he is a funny veneer of a real Nazi working for hardcore bonafide serious Nazis with blood gold coffers. To do business in North America, Steam will kowtow to that agenda, because they are, after all, only a business. So there is no debate about censorship because we’ve left the realm of hypotheticals. Were you about to call me out on advocating for censorship by a private corporation over their own fucking forums? Don’t bullshit me. The mass hatred of the concepts of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace AND in society, even if they were coopted by corporate brainwashers to advertise themselves as desireable to work at, signals only one thing; and that is mass murder on the horizon, machete murdering your Tutsi neighbors growing as a positive vibe in the American noosphere if you will. Your movement is a Nazi radicalization pipeline, AGAIN. Enjoy living in denial while you facefuck the fun out of your own hobby and lose whats left of your mind to the dulcett tones of the new generation of unwashed Goebbels imitators.

I had some other thing I was gonna say but you blindsided me there; why the living hell would it be bad for Steam to shut down a community that makes list of games featuring diverse characters so they can boycott them and spread ignorant hate about their developers? Yadayadayadablahblah the first amendment guarantees the right to freedom of speech. But Valve aren’t an arm of the federal government, so it truly would be fine for them to nuke these groups. High past time even.

Fuck the ADLs censoring of Palestinians but I gotta ask, what is even the relation here?

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Alan Turing saved the world by breaking Enigma and we got modern computation science out of it. Computers are gaaaay.

Its not the most holistic motivation but I really really appreciate that, friend. I hope you’ll realize we’re not all that different and spread the good word. LGBT folks will need your help and your faith going forward.

You’re enjoying gay art by people who draw gay stuff. Even if the doujinshi are cynically exploiting yuri fans and lesbians they’re still filling a niche. Are you paying them? Are you cruising hentai sites and not paying them? You said you like imagining yourself as one of the girls, okay, its fine to have a guilty pleasure. Its also fine if its… something more complicated for you.

Whats not fine is enjoying gay art and signposting your hate for the LGBT community. When we’re all gone nobody will make the porn you want; it won’t be socially acceptable or legal. You need to think real hard about how you can want to be an anime girlie in a yuri comic “but in a not gay way” while also essentially telling the industry and the women that industry is for that you outright hate them even if you love what they do.

Just calm down and get your jill on. There’s no need to declare your political views. You know, unless you’re scared people you align with might… judge you. For that self inserting into yuri thing.

Prison labor. The illegalization of homelessness. The criminalization of prrviously acceptable statuses.

None of us will be laughing for long.

No no but that comment boiled it down to a few clear cut words, no bullshit. And that’s the controversial part; the truth of the statement. ‘No cunt indefinitely’ is three words so personally I like it better.

Nobody in that thread wants to listen to a woman actually speak when they can talk over her and feel good about themselves. When she put it plainly they downvoted her. Pretty obvious.

“Woman is not made for having sex. Woman is person.”

You’re doing a jig around this statement to refute the idea people weren’t hostile to the person who said this :)

Whoever sent Clinton to Dearborn should be sent into the smoking wastes never to return

For the record I was hardly blaming you; in fact I was sort of building on your point. People who nonvoted or voted Trump or third party will spend the rest of their lives experiencing fascism and civil strife like they’ve read about in history. We are done hypothesizing. There are two months before America becomes really really whacky. I hope supposed left leaning people remember where they were and how they felt when they chose ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WRONG LMAO

Has anybody read up on dictatorships in general? If we are fortunate we’ll endure a 30-50 year autocratic government headed by Trump monarchs and then a ten year period of juntas and civil wars and then finally piss weak liberal democracy again for a bit.

You got what you wanted and skullfucked our country. You can stop putting words into peoples mouths. Above user did not defend the democratic party, they pointed out the party swap and pre-Southern Strategy party makeup. Give it a rest with this shit. No democrat will ever actually be elected ever again, more than likely.

hordes

Go fuck yourself

Sincerely, a member of the “Holy Western Imperial Horde” (the US)