the simplest fix for states would be to adopt something like what maine and nebraska have, since they have vastly more representative turnout compared to FPTP.

Wouldn’t be perfect, but would basically kill any chance of republican DEI in the fed ever again lol.

the only two significant things i’ve heard, one is pretty much confirmed.

republicans had access illegally to source code for dominion voting machines (we know this because people were charged over it) this is also the contents of the “letter to VP harris” thing that was released a minute ago. Though it doesn’t claim fraud or anything of the nature, just calls for a recount, and establishing that no foul play happened.

The second, and one i haven’t dug into at all, so take this at face value, is that apparently, there may have been a very large number of “bullet ballots” or ballots just voting for trump, in AZ i think. I don’t know the status of this one. Even if it’s true, it doesn’t explicitly mean voter fraud happened. It may be a tad bit suspect though.

Those are the only two theories i’ve heard that have weight, granted i’m not following election conspiracies, because i’m a normal sane person.

Realistically the most likely “fraud” was elon musk buying twitter.

this is my favorite israel palestine talking point, instead of actually doing something about the issue, or like, discussing actual things actually happening, people just bitch and moan about semantics instead.

Who gives a fuck whether or not voting for kamala was a vote for genocide, or whether or not abstaining, and therefore helping trump get elected was also a vote for genocide, go do literally fucking anything for the cause.

it beats an electoral win, popular loss, and another 4-8 years of election fraud bullshit. Plus now he actually to some degree, has to be held responsible to the people. So this likely means the next election will flip backwards if there is a general perception of dissatisfaction in his abilities, which i expect there will be, in some capacity. His current cabinet picks are a fucking clownshow.

The economy doing fine means nothing for 99.9% of people.

this isn’t actually true. The economy just leads the people in most circumstances. 6 Months from now the economy will be doing better than it was now, and people won’t be struggling as much. Not due to trump, amusingly enough.

Also inflation is irrelevant, you can’t really just undo inflation. Sure you could just, not do it. But good luck with that one. Inflation is really just a mechanism to offset economic dysfunction, and broaden the impact of it. Such that you don’t have a complete global collapse of trade for example.

idk why people keep yapping about abandoning the working class, it mostly just seems like a dogwhistle to a general dissatisfaction that never seems to go away.

People were doing the same shit before biden dropped out, saying they would support someone else, like kamala. That happened, and then they didn’t.

how would the liberals court the working class? would electing a fucking immigrant factory worker do it? At what point does the working class actually go “you know what, i agree, i will vote for this person” because the problem is, you can’t just put some guy in the seat, we did that with trump, it was a horrendous mistake, and trump should have some idea of how this stuff works.

You need someone politically educated and experienced, capable of representing the people, like biden. There’s a reason he got so much legislation through the government, even with how polarized it is right now.

unless of course, you want to overthrow the government, and install a dictator. That would also work.

i think in presidential elections in order to “win” you need at minimum a 51% vote. Otherwise you don’t actually win, but i could be mixing some shit up lol.

Voting is fucking weird.

Trump won in 2024 chiefly because millions upon millions of Dems who voted in 2020 stayed home in 2024. That’s the reality.

probably also a mix of lack of accessible voting, so the soy peeps who are bitching and moaning right now, are probably in the crowd of people that didn’t vote (or just actually busy people, idk)

and malaise towards the incumbency (global phenomenon)

What they did this election should even be illegal

illegal how? they’re a private party, their own rules don’t require them to hold a primary. Even if they wanted to do so, it was most definitely too late, should they have held one prior? probably.

They had no primary, so as a Democratic voter, I had no choice in who I was voting for.

man you guys need to learn what irony is. Also just to be clear, like 10 million people ever vote in primaries, so uh. Good luck? I guess? It’s not even representative to begin with lmao.

What’s the point of a democracy where my vote doesn’t matter

i mean it objectively does, but ok.

The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.

just to be clear, this isn’t really a failing of the dems per say, not to say they didn’t have issues, they did. But this was a global shift away from incumbency. This seems to be more of a response to covid and inflation more than anything else possibly could’ve influenced it.

Lucky break for trump, dems just have to come back stronger i guess.

In regards to actors, it’s less their actions in a movie and how they carry themselves. Desdpool is actually a good example. Ask friends and family if they think Ryan Reynolds is a good person or not and why. For me the answer is simple, I have no idea mainly because I have never met him.

i suppose that makes sense. But that would be pretty weird. Especially when you consider how movies tend to be, either way i would assume that reynolds is probably a decent person, as i do for most people. Perhaps that’s a bias in itself, but meh.

I agree with your comparison between Hasan and Destiny, although I’m not sure if Destiny has really figured out a repeatable process others could follow.

post election stream he has been working towards doing things to increase reach within the left/liberal sphere of things. So it sounds like he has some things in the works for that, will be interesting to see where it goes. Hasan naturally has been hating on destiny more frequently now, lol.

I’m also concerned that the bully and shame technique will just cause defensiveness rather than a change in perspective. I’m essentially of the opposite perspective though, people need to be able to tolerate being around others with vastly different views without getting aggressive or defensive.

maybe, but then the problem is the same one we have now with republicans. If you’re good faith, and very tolerant, the republicans will abuse it to no end, until they get what the want, which is the problem we have now, so you have to be very careful, or fight fire with fire, because there isn’t really a good solution to stopping all the incessant bullshit they spread constantly.

For me personally it depends on the person, and the topics, but there’s a point where you’ve gone too far, and you’re actually delusional, and you should be bullied for it. Or institutionalized, i guess, but that will never happen lmao.

A somewhat absurd example of this is that I think that Israel and Palestine will only ever be peaceful if they accept living in the same country together under equal rights. A one country solution so to speak.

yeah, that ones a hard problem, i honestly have no idea how it’s going to be solved, a two country solution seems like the most simple and direct solution to me, with internationally recognized borders. A one state would be nice, but i feel like it’s very theoretical, i don’t know if either party would agree to that.

Opinions can be worth a lot these days though, thats why people will offer them up to begin with. I agree it should be far more common to say, “I barely know anything about this, so I have no opinion”, but how do you incentivize that socially.

this is a hard problem, but theres a lot of research on education and incentivization, the simple answer is to bully and belittle people who blatantly spew falsehoods and baseless opinions, and to prop up people who provide nuance and indepth conversation.

The alternative would be incentivizing this sort of stuff in the media, and the social landscape, which is more ambiguous, but possible. Shit like hasan on twitch would be a bad example of this, other creators like destiny who often garner a lot of criticism from his own viewer-base is a much better example of this. (granted destiny is a quite a bit edgier, but then again hasan spreads terrorist propaganda so eh)

of course it also needs to be socially acceptable for people to retract false statements, or inaccurate statements as well. This is less of a problem, but it also needs to be ok to be wrong, as long as you stop being wrong. That’s probably the biggest one, people need to learn how to get over hate boners. The left is REALLY bad at this, at least right now, i think. The right never even tries this to be fair, so they don’t get a grade at all lol.

Noone becomes accepted/promoted/famous by admitting they dont know something, but you can do all of those things by putting out half-baked opinions.

this is true, but you also don’t need to say that you know nothing, you just need to properly hedge things, and bring your knowledge and understanding, invite more knowledge and understanding, and promote discussion and conversation around these topics. I think it’s more important to talk about things, than it is to care about things, in that aspect.

People often believe they are exactly the same on screen as in real life, despite them telling you they are actors

i really hope they don’t because that’s pretty scary if they do. Imagine seeing a coworker, who you don’t hang out with, and then just thinking “they must only exist within this space of work” it’s the meme of “kids think teachers live at school”

i just don’t really see anybody watching deadpool, and thinking that the actor is unironically a murderer, though im sure that’s not what you mean, i guess i just don’t fully understand it lol.

what can i say, i revel in the suffering of others, brought upon themselves. Maybe it’ll knock some sense into some of them, knock a few others off of the map like covid, and throw a few into the deep end.

These things need to continue spiraling, and they can’t spiral forever, it has to stop somewhere. At the bottom most likely. Where i will be waiting, smugly.

Nobody operates on facts alone.

this is true, and i appropriately hedge my positions based on this, you can’t make a perfectly accurate statement unless you have 100% of the relevant knowledge, and you won’t so you just don’t. It’s that simple.

As for sources, it’s not hard to find reliable sources, you just need to be able to dig around a bit. Scientific research as much as republicans hate on it, still give me faith in humanity so.

Quite a lot of people just say fuck it, if its all varying degrees of shit, I’m not going to listen to any of it.

this is the problem, people either need to stop doing this, or they need to hedge no opinions at all, i have a couple posts about “people caring too much” and there are many useless arguments i’ve had over this kind of thing, if people would just, stop caring about most things, it would solve most of these problems, unfortunately people like caring about useless things.

We still haven’t even figured out how to refute religion conclusively, for example. Juries still out on whether religion is fantasy or actual reality, whether we think thats ridiculous or not.

yeah, and this is actually a really good argument for what we’re engaging in. It shows that we hedge properly, and that we will concede if we need to, given appropriate information. The problem is that nobody likes to talk like this, and nobody likes to listen to people talking like this.

More people just need to start doing this, it’s that simple.

This is kind of the whole argument against nuclear proliferation though. The more bombs that exist, the harder it is to keep it out of the hands of completely unpredictable groups like iran.

this is true, however, the argument for nuclear proliferation would be that lots more countries having nuclear weapons would put countries like iran at a significant risk, since if they were to use them, they would likely be indefinitely obliterated. By several parties.

but then again, give a man enough time, he will inevitably learn how to build a nuclear bomb, so maybe anti proliferation is bad. When people who want them, are going to get them at all costs anyway.

It really is just a pandoras box, but i’m definitely not explicitly anti proliferation either. For whatever that’s worth lol.

also I just want to mention that the swords/guns metaphor really doesn’t work because this is a problem that potentially concerns the security of literally all life on earth.

i’m aware, it’s an analogy, it’s not meant to be perfectly accurate lol. It gets the point across.

i like democracy, just not when people are allowed to make decisions directly. Look at brexit.

Representative democracy, or something like the US has with actual electors who aren’t just idiots would be great. But unfortunately they’re also stupid.

the ones who prospered were the most aggressive ones, even conquering the whole world by force, it’s a survivorship bias situation.

this is my fundamental gripe with the problem, yes it’s technically a survivorship bias, but how do you remove it, that’s the hard question.

If 10 people in a group agree to leave 10,000 USD on a table, such that after 20 minutes, they can all split it amongst themselves, and then turn off the lights in the room and plug their ears in the meantime, someone if not multiple people are going to try and take it all for themselves.

Evolution has fundamentally programmed in a form of survivorship bias within basically every species. I don’t think you can separate it unfortunately.

not every group of humans is aggressive, but those eventually get conquered by the agressive ones, military power always ends up winning.

exactly.

It’s unscientific to say that any country, given the chance, would do the same as the europeans or the US empire did to the world.

i wouldn’t say that they would explicitly, but i would argue that being in a position of that much power, over that much of the world, in that much of a volatile position, there is a very high likelihood that they would influence some amount of the world, in a similar manner.

At least the Chinese century will prove or disprove this theory, given it’s the first significant power shift in the last 500 years, let’s see if they will be so brutal as the US and its allies (you know who) are to the world.

if we’re talking about modern day china, they already do a lot of power projection in the sea, illegally, same in the air. I don’t know if they’re doing any predatory lending to other countries, but that could very well change in the future, so we can’t say anything about it now. It’s highly likely that china at least wants other countries to be dependent on themselves at the minimum, which i would argue is a form of this power projection.

They are 100% in a position to do things that are more predatory, time will tell, i predict they will, it’s inevitable, but i could be wrong. Either that or china itself implodes before we get to that point, so who knows.

personally i know nothing about their military presence outside of the previously mentioned stuff. So i can’t really say anything about it, but there’s probably at least one bad thing they’ve done. Again, time will tell.

i didn’t lose anything, idk what you’re talking about.

I’m not a part of any political races or running as a political candidate anywhere.

possibly, but i think it’s a sort of fundamental problem. I would be curious if history/anthropology has any sort of knowledge on societies that didn’t have a hierarchical power structure within itself. But i’m guessing it’s very uncommon, if not unheard of.

If humans could do a communal governance structure effectively, one would think it would have already been tried, and successfully implemented.

Democracy is probably the closest thing we’ve ever had, but it’s still not perfect.

I’m sure theres also a lot of psych and socio research on this as well.

there’s also the question of whether it’s even possible to have a communal government structure in the first place, the world is incredibly complex, and politics is even more complex, doing things correctly is very hard.

TL;DR i don’t think it’s possible, and i’m not sure it ever will, judging by how humans behave.

true, being rude to other people is bad. We should stop being rude and criminalize it.

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