ah right, soz, I meant to address that too but was typing from phone and fucked that bit up

more than a few of the projects/things on these sites tend to be in a shape of “programmer provides all facilities”, be it dev tooling or “before launch” site hosting etc. but in favour of your point, it’s still definitely incidental instead of structural/built into the system foundations

might not swing that way either, because it places a lot of leverage on the dev’s side (and in an exploitative economy, the money doesn’t like going for that)