Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
  • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
    45·
    1 year ago

    cannot force editorial restrictions onto all media the same way a government can. I think this is pretty low hanging fruit when it comes to press freedom

    Yes they can, it is called private (as opposed to personal) property rights enforced by the state. The range of opinion will always be broadly supportive of the capitalist government.

    Please read inventing reality or manufacturing consent. I am tired and I feel like you aren’t interested in learning, with or without changing your opinion.

    • socsa@lemmy.ml
      13·
      1 year ago

      I don’t know why you think I have not read those books. I’m quite familiar with both, and agree with many aspects of them. I assure you though, Chomsky is not a press skeptic they way I think you are implying. And not everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. You are the one shutting down conversation and making accusations.

      But either way, this is quite easy to back test. Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

      • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
        11·
        1 year ago

        Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

        Are you saying the west has trustworthy press because Parenti and Chomsky were allowed to publish books?

      • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
        45·
        1 year ago

        Based on what you’ve said you really need to read those books again.

        But either way, this is quite easy to back test. Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

        Point out the flaw in this rhetoric like Parenti would, given you’ve read him.

        • socsa@lemmy.ml
          12·
          1 year ago

          The corporate media will always serve the elites over token dissent. And token dissent protects capitalists from Capitalism. He is quite funny and self aware when he wants be.

          Trust me I get it. What I don’t recall is Parenti expressing general skepticism of press freedom as a first principle. He mostly argues that capitalism corrupts the media. Again, this is laughably self evident.

          Parenti and Chomsky are more left-libertarians though. Chomsky in particular is a outspoken and vocal critic of Lenin’s centralism and is a vehement defender of press freedom. I would say that my ideas of press freedom are quite aligned with theirs, and it seems as if you are one who has fundamentally missed the message.

          • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
            34·
            1 year ago

            The corporate media will always serve the elites over token dissent. And token dissent protects capitalists from Capitalism. He is quite funny and self aware when he wants be.

            So why did you say the silly thing you said in the first place? And why do you consider corporate press to be more free than government press?

            • socsa@lemmy.ml
              12·
              1 year ago

              I’ve explained this already. I largely reject the notion that token dissent is less free than no dissent. As do both of the authors you cited.

              • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
                34·
                1 year ago

                Do you have proof that there is no dissent within socialist countries? Because based on my readings there is plenty of lively debate. Hell, you can look at streams of the vietnamese assembly.

                • socsa@lemmy.ml
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  I literally know nothing about Vietnamese politics. But I also don’t think I’ve made any assertion that press/individual freedoms are incompatible with socialism. In fact, I think I’ve been pretty clear about this forum “deserving a better brand of socialist”

                  • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
                    34·
                    1 year ago

                    Okay, you dont know anything about vietnamese politics and you don’t think there can be press freedom under government control, got it.