• silasmariner@programming.dev
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    11 months ago

    I don’t know if ‘traitor’ is really the right term for separatists… I mean, it’s a hard spot, right? You’re betraying someone one way or another whichever side you choose

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      11 months ago

      I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the Southern Confederacy. They left the union because they wanted to expand the enslavement of people. That’s not just the leaders either, soldiers in the Confederacy made it crystal clear in their diaries and letters that they would rather die than be equal with a black person. They fired first, and they had no right to leave the union under any circumstances. They were traitors.

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        11 months ago

        they had no right to leave the union under any circumstances.

        I wholeheartedly agree with you on every other part, but that particular sentiment is rather disturbing. The particular reason they gave was not an acceptable justification for leaving the union, but the idea that they have no such right at all is extraordinarily problematic.

        I mention this because we are a year away from a scenario where several states may determine that a particular candidate is unqualified to even run, let alone win the presidential election. We may very well find ourselves in a situation where half the country recognizes one person as president, while the other half recognizes a different person.

        The idea that the states representing the majority of We The People should not be allowed to dissociate from a self-described dictator is a big fucking problem.

        The union is only valid so long as we have the right to leave it.

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      11 months ago

      Read any of the States’ Declarations of Secession, and you’ll see how the Confederacy betrayed humanity with that racist garbage. I would literally get banned if I copied and pasted what they say.