It’s basically the new /r/GenZedong.

They should’ve done this way before this became a problem.

I’d like Nakoichi’s thoughts on this as well.

  • Pluto [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    31·
    11 months ago

    Not just that, you have to wait for a revolutionary situation.

    And it’s not just the revolution that has phases; the movement has phases and, while there’s lots of anger at the current state of things, we lack cohesion and organization.

    Don’t get me wrong: Americans are angry at, well, everything about this country but relying on how “people feel” is kinda idealistic; not materialistic.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
        39·
        11 months ago

        The recent RevLeft New Years ep had a segment about how revolution requires revolutionary conditions, you can’t just convince a lot of people to do a revolution and then will it to happen on the lathe. Until the material conditions reach a point to actually allow a revolution you can only organize and prepare for the revolutionary moment, so that when it comes you can actually use that moment to do something.

        The BLM uprisings were a potential revolutionary moment, but there wasn’t an underlying organizational structure to actually do anything about it. Without cohesion, eventually the masses tucker themselves out, get it out of their system, and everything returns to normal.

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          19·
          11 months ago

          eventually the masses tucker themselves out, get it out of their system, and everything returns to normal.

          This is why the cia throws immense amounts of money at features of their reactionary revolutions intended to drag them out for as long as possible.

          Free food, free drink, stage, music, shows, etc etc. Everything to keep people in the revolutionary moment for as long as possible.

          Maidan is a very strong example of this. Massive amounts of money spent on things that were really just about making it “fun” to get the average people to stick around as long as possible and not lose the energy while the vanguard groups went about their plans.

      • Pluto [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        16·
        11 months ago

        Eh, maybe some other time.

        I’ve thought about this for a while, but from what I’ve read, simply hopping onto the “revolution” or uprising phase doesn’t work; you have to do movement-building first and then you can think about revolution.

        Also, you have to build dual power which is a bit different than just movement-building but that’s a whole 'nother can of worms to deal with.

        Movements can take decades, maybe even a century or two, with many zigs and zags; I think that’s the more depressing aspect of it, depending on one’s point of view.

        Then again, I view the movements and socialism/communism in epochs which means that we have to be thinking long-term… which makes the short-term thinking of these people that try to push people into committing violent acts (because they’re too chicken-shit to do so) all the more tragic.