I hope I will not get downvoted because I’m genuinely wondering
Lemmy almost has no users from neither Israel or Palestine, however most of communities filled with Anti Israel content, I even tried muting all news related communities, but now I see anti Israel content in completely unrelated communities, like [email protected] and [email protected]
Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine? Neither of other world conflicts get even close in terms of attention. It’s neither a case on my microblogging Fediverse account or my most “algoritmic” social media, even kbin part of the Threadiverse seems not as obsessed with it, what’s so different about Lemmy?
(Sorry for a bit clickbait-y title)
Edit: I actually might take down this post because half of people in replies completely misunderstood it
Maybe it might because Israel is in the wrong? Maybe overreacting a bit and committing something awfully close to genocide? Just a thought.
I think the reason why people in the US care about this genocide (and not others) is because the US is funding it so hard.
I care mostly because it’s wrong.
Are you asking why Lemmy has a lean towards political activism? Why the political activism is so heavily focused on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? Or why they’ve chosen the side that they have within that conflict?
All three are completely different questions, and all of them are complicated and also pretty much impossible to answer with any real confidence. But they’re interesting.
Anyways, which is the biggest thrust of your question?
I am talking about apolitical communities, or those that are supposed to be apolitical at least, i apologize if I haven’t made it clear enough in my original thread.
Apolitical communities formed of people that are otherwise more politically active sorts may see a little more politics than normal, during particularly emotional times.
It’s more about the people than the community.
I completely understand it and your point is valid. However, I was talking about communities unrelated to it, I am not even apolitical myself, I say so because I usually have 2 separate accounts for interacting with political content and non political one, but when I tried to do it on Threadiverse - I failed.
Right. I was just saying that communities that are completely, 100% unrelated to politics, may begin to see more politics, during particularly emotional times.
So, in a community completely unrelated to politics, people can still talk about politics unless it is against the rules. So, during times when people are sad, angry or otherwise upset, it kinda just creeps in?
Make sure that if you really want to stay away from it, you look for communities where political discussion is specifically a ban-able offense. Those will usually have a lot less fighting and arguments.
As for why there is so much of this on Lemmy specifically, it’s because we are probably more politically active than most of the rest of the internet.
That’s what I thought too, I mentioned in this reply that it was like that everywhere when the war have just started and when the Israel started to respond https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/433028/-/comment/2729986 However, it has been 59 days since the war start already and I don’t see any less talking about this issues, unlike in other social media where it is limited to the political communities.
And thanks for the thoughtful and full response, it might be one of the best explanations I got in those replies, pretty well written.
No problem. That would start to bleed into the second of the questions I proposed earlier, and frankly, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is just special. Like, unique in many ways. So it dominates when it’s around, that’s the same every time it fires back up. There’s a lot of storied history, rooted in things everyone has studied and at least vaguely understands.
And this particular flare-up is particularly huge. Lots of big explosions, lots of footage, lots of carnage.
We don’t see any less genocide either.
Zionists can’t help but cry regardless of what community they’re in. Add lemmy’s general stance against apartheid and oppressive government and you have a community primed to “pick on israel” when they’re actually just expressing their opinions. The zionists love to make themselves the victim regardless of actual circumstances
Lemmy doesn’t have many enforced apolitical communities. Because even the meaning of apolitical is contentious and arguably political.
Actually, suprisingly, maybe not “enforced” but it does have a lot of vibrant and different communities not related to politics.
I mean the moderators don’t usually take down political things from what I’ve seen. Memes on .ml for example is specifically okay with propaganda posters.
And every other nations’ propaganda, notably Western’ nations. * appear on every other instance.
There is no such thing as an “apolitical” community - not here on the fediverse or anywhere else.
you wish fewer people were horrified and outraged over active genocide?
Even if genocide happens as you say, I don’t see any attention to other genocides in the world on there, only to this specific war
Because it’s the most recent world event. Were you not seeing constant discussions about Russia/Ukraine when that first started?
Nobody ever mentions Africa is what’s weird to me.
There’s a very dark joke in the international community.
How do you move an article about 50k people being killed in a natural disaster from the front page to page 15?
Start the article with “Yesterday in Africa…”
Lemmy wasn’t as popular back and even tho it had it’s share of users, I wasn’t on it, so I can’t really say how it was on Lemmy
I have seen discussions about Russia-Ukrainian but I haven’t seen them at all outside of the political communities on Lemmy, and they seem limited to certain communities.
And is it the most recent world event?
People in the US are concerned about this genocide because we’re paying for it. The US sends Israel billions of dollars every year. This is our tax dollars at work.
This is a logical fallacy. For example just because the Uighur issue receives less present attention (because it’s not NEW) doesn’t make the latest attempt at genocide more acceptable.
We’re not sure how much is real and how much is Western propaganda. It’s not like our own nations don’t lie to us.
Western propoganda? I’m surprised you’re on kbin and not on lemmygrad
You’re so aware! /s because it’s needed. WMD and Iraq. Gulf of Tonkin. Plenty more.
I mean… while I defend the right of Israel to defend themselves from attacks, they’re basically committing genocide in the name of “defense” by not discerning between innocent Palestinians and Hamas. And thus, they have become the bad guys through their bad actions and are getting a lot of hate over it.
maybe you should unsubscribe to anything that keeps filling up your front page with such things.
That’s what I do. I don’t see anything that I don’t want to see.
I said in the reply that I tried, I have a separate non political account and I tried to do it on it, and it haven’t worked, I still seen a lot of discuss relating to it on completely apolitical communities
“Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine?”
I figure that people who take the time to swap to federated social media are generally going to be people that are a little more political…
and Israel is currently actively committing genocide. So political people are posting anti-israel posts. It’s really not more complicated than that.What’s different about Lemmy compared to other sites? The Palestine/Israel conflict is the main topic point today. Everyone is talking about it everywhere, whether it be Reddit or Twitter. Are you up to date on the news?
I know it is the main political discourse, and yes I know how many attention it gets But I don’t see much attention to it outside of the political circles neither on Twitter or on Reddit outside of a few specific exceptions
Maybe you’re not subscribed to many places, I see it everywhere in my feeds. For what it’s worth I rarely see it on Lemmy outside of meme and politics communities.
On social media I usually have 2 accounts 1 political and 1 apolitical one, with different following and interactions in general. On my apolitical accounts even if I got such content in first week or two when everyone were talking about it I stopped getting it on my feeds since then.
One of commenters pointed that it might be a problem with mod actions federating then, even tho I’m not sure if that’s the reason.
I can’t speak for others, but as I see it, the Israeli government is committing atrocities on a daily basis. So is Hamas. I’m against senseless violence in general, but since the IDF has the upper hand and has killed the most civilians in the current conflict, I’m more likely to complain about them.
It’s the same as anywhere. FWIW obviously inflammatory stuff gets removed from [email protected] under rule 9. Disagreements are okay, but folks are expected to keep things civil. Also an issue for kbin/mbin is that moderator removals aren’t federated probably to/from Lemmy.
Hmm, actually now that you say it, it may be the actual reason, sounds pretty logical to me, even tho I do think (most?) Mod actions do get federated.
To be investigated.
If you use the spammers from the last two days as evidence for mod actions federation, those actions were not really federated (I know for sure that admin ones are not between Lemmy instances, let’s not even ask K/mbin), it was more than everyone was blocking the accounts on every instance.
Actually, I just checked, they are not.
Example:
- https://feddit.de/post/6311541?scrollToComments=true
- https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/430802/Central-Paris-attack-leaves-one-dead-and-one-injured#comments
Lemmy originally has an anti-west bias. That naturally spans to general communities as well
What Hamas did was atrocious, and how Israel responds is even worse. Where I live, people are not against Israel or Palestine per se. They are against violence and genocide. And rightfully so. No matter who commits the crimes, or where they are committed, they are still crimes and it’d frankly be weird not to condemn them in the strongest possible way. Is it really that difficult not to think only in terms of us-them. black-white, good-bad and/or left-right? The level of discourse (or absence thereof) is quite disheartening.
I haven’t seen any comments like what you’re describing.
Can we switch accounts please?/s Actually in one of the replies a person mentioned that it might be because of the mod actions not federating properly to kbin/mbin, and it’s actually sounds as a logical reason, especially if you say that you haven’t seen what I’m describing.
This morning I read some statistic that approx 73% of all internet traffic is bots & shills.
So that might have something to do with this phenomenon you’re experiencing.
Most of that has got to be miscellaneous stuff though, like maintenance testing. How would that work out for business if more than half of us were bots?
I will say though, it brings some assurance to be able to say “I’m also ____ on another website” as bots cannot operate universally with uniformity. For example, if I were to mention here how I’m DollarGeneralKenobi on PsychCentral and vice versa, it would pose a challenge to the bot thing based on the stereotype that a bot is only made to be interested in one meeting place.
Most really just dislike “the West” for its own misdeeds and interpret that as a cue to say “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. This is a false way of going about themselves, especially considering the revelations about Palestine lately revolving crimes of mass violation, which are similar to what the perpetrators of the Nanjing Massacre did.
There is no shame in being deceived, but considering how I was treated for it all, I’ll be taking great relative pride in saying to everyone “I told you so”, just like I can do for Ukraine. Still don’t understood how anyone can say they’re pro-LGBT and not have at least a little respect for Israel or its people.
It also makes it misleading many of the people doing this siding identify as misanthropes when they like a whole faction of humanity enough to side unconditionally with them. A true misanthrope, by definition, sides with nobody. Take it from me. I have my reasons.
##tl;dr Because Israel is breaking international law.
Are you stalking my profile now lol?
Maybe. Why? Does it bother you if people call out Israel?
Not really, there’s a lot of propoganda online so it’s completely understandable to me
I do find it concerning tho when a person first says that I should stop saying “bullshit” and then goes on as far to stalk my profile for my past posts
Well, in my defence, a lot of what you are saying IS bullshit.
I had a look into it and have to say: you got a point. OP still has to learn some things, but where’s life there is hope.
It’s funny because in the post they said that anti Israeli content bothers them, but they claim it doesn’t. I think it bothers them a lot. But what should bother them more is apartheid in Israel and genocide in the name of the Jewish people.
