Casemiro was never overpriced or questionable. He was valued exactly what he was worth and definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
There 100% was questions whether £60 mil price tag and 4 year contract for a 30 year old DM on 350k a week was overpriced. A bit revisionist to pretend there weren’t question marks at the time
Ten Hag switched to an insane high press two-10s system leaving midfield even more exposed than before, leaving Case completely exposed having to do the work of two men. Then after Case misplaced one pass and we conceded he gets blamed for being shit when in reality it was the change to an unworkable system that practically doomed our early season results.
It’s funny how people don’t even consider that tactics can affect a player’s form. They think Casemiro being late to challenges is because he’s in the space of a few months lost his legs, and not because he’s been running for two players.
Wouldn’t say it’s insane, the idea was for Shaw to tuck into midfield in possession and be that extra man in case of turnovers. But… he got injured after two games.
Lots of minutes with little to no rest due to no replacement and the team are pressing higher mean he is asked to press more intense than before. All combined to him rarely being fit for all 90 mins and wouldn’t be in the position to defend counter as he and Ten Hag want
Honestly, he’s also always been a motivation based player. I think at Madrid that was sort of papered over because there always is so much pressure, and he’s always been so questioned, and real we’re always in a position to compete. But if you go to his early career, people thought he was lazy at São Paulo, and at Porto he played a lot better in the CL (and I’d say even over his real career he was always better in big games). I imagine that it’s not just physical but also mental in this case.
I think at Madrid that was sort of papered over because there always is so much pressure,
I could not disagree more. There is massive pressure when the stakes are high yes - But there is also a reason why Real has never won a treble or isn’t as consistent in the league, priority number one is the CL.
Not disagreeing with that. It is just that in a club like United with its current situation and the level of competition every other game is a big game - Slip up and goodbye to CL qualification as actually ended up being the case. That and the fact that there were no quality backups like Ceballos always meant that the move was high risk. Case should have picked a move like Inter, would have been perfect
I think every game is high pressure… ish. You’re realistically not really competing for titles (because the PL has become basically Man City’s competition, and they are generally just outright favourites to win it). I think that’s the big difference tbh. One is much more concrete, than a placement in CL, and the financial rewards that come with it.
I don’t think Casemiro is the issue. He was arguably the best CDM in the world when he signed. Granted, he was in a world class setup at Madrid where he had basically played his whole career.
But Casemiro as a player has been, overall, one of UTDs shining lights.
It’s difficult to play your best when you’re demotivated and man utd is a shambles
29 year old DM on mega wages from Madrid is definitely questionable. I can’t ever recall a time where Madrid have gotten the short end of the stick when getting rid of one of their big stars, that alone should’ve raised question marks. Madrid are very good at assessing the level of their players
I’ve said it elsewhere on the thread but Robben and Sneijder weren’t performing at Madrid, was definitely best for them to move elsewhere. Makelele was sold as result of a failed vanity project, Ozil was sold because he was no longer going to be a starter with the emergence of Isco and signing of Bale.
A player performing at a world class level for Madrid who is still at the top of their game generally never leaves Madrid
Casemiro signing was always questionable. Letting along the obscene amount of money on a 30 y/o, the guy is pretty much the opposite of every Ten Haag football idea: a slow midfield destroyer pretty poor with his feet for a manager who strives for possession and high pressing never made sense. They basically obliged him to switch to a transitional team
His pass percentage last season plummeted every time he played against a team competent enough to keep him under pressure, you think that’s a coincidence?
Casemiro was never overpriced or questionable. He was valued exactly what he was worth and definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
Of course this was at the time of his signing.
There 100% was questions whether £60 mil price tag and 4 year contract for a 30 year old DM on 350k a week was overpriced. A bit revisionist to pretend there weren’t question marks at the time
It’s less than 18 months since they signed him for £60m and now he’s getting binned off and yet he’s not a questionable signing? Sure thing mate.
He was arguably our most important player last season.
He was one of our most important players, he was brilliant for all of last season.
I don’t know what happened this season.
Ten Hag switched to an insane high press two-10s system leaving midfield even more exposed than before, leaving Case completely exposed having to do the work of two men. Then after Case misplaced one pass and we conceded he gets blamed for being shit when in reality it was the change to an unworkable system that practically doomed our early season results.
Thank you. Finally someone has some ball knowledge in this pathetic sub.
It’s funny how people don’t even consider that tactics can affect a player’s form. They think Casemiro being late to challenges is because he’s in the space of a few months lost his legs, and not because he’s been running for two players.
r/reddevils is just as bad.
Yup.
Wouldn’t say it’s insane, the idea was for Shaw to tuck into midfield in possession and be that extra man in case of turnovers. But… he got injured after two games.
Lots of minutes with little to no rest due to no replacement and the team are pressing higher mean he is asked to press more intense than before. All combined to him rarely being fit for all 90 mins and wouldn’t be in the position to defend counter as he and Ten Hag want
Honestly, he’s also always been a motivation based player. I think at Madrid that was sort of papered over because there always is so much pressure, and he’s always been so questioned, and real we’re always in a position to compete. But if you go to his early career, people thought he was lazy at São Paulo, and at Porto he played a lot better in the CL (and I’d say even over his real career he was always better in big games). I imagine that it’s not just physical but also mental in this case.
I could not disagree more. There is massive pressure when the stakes are high yes - But there is also a reason why Real has never won a treble or isn’t as consistent in the league, priority number one is the CL.
I mean, he always performed in the CL though. League and copa were always a bit more disappointing, because they are lower stakes.
Not disagreeing with that. It is just that in a club like United with its current situation and the level of competition every other game is a big game - Slip up and goodbye to CL qualification as actually ended up being the case. That and the fact that there were no quality backups like Ceballos always meant that the move was high risk. Case should have picked a move like Inter, would have been perfect
I think every game is high pressure… ish. You’re realistically not really competing for titles (because the PL has become basically Man City’s competition, and they are generally just outright favourites to win it). I think that’s the big difference tbh. One is much more concrete, than a placement in CL, and the financial rewards that come with it.
Don’t think we’d have got top 4 without him. I’d imagine Champions League football is worth about that, even if we’ve crashed and burned in it.
A lot of the financial boost to getting CL football gets burned on player bonuses though
You’re speaking in retrospect while completely ignoring the fact that the dude just tried to clarify that he meant without retrospective knowledge.
Yeah, because he ninja edited in the last part, and people absolutely did question it at the time too.
Is he being binned off? Why are you so certain about trusting the Daily Mail?
You’re acting like the transfer is actually happening right now, not like you’ve read a story in a paper which routinely makes things up.
I don’t think Casemiro is the issue. He was arguably the best CDM in the world when he signed. Granted, he was in a world class setup at Madrid where he had basically played his whole career.
But Casemiro as a player has been, overall, one of UTDs shining lights.
It’s difficult to play your best when you’re demotivated and man utd is a shambles
He’s not getting binned off.
29 year old DM on mega wages from Madrid is definitely questionable. I can’t ever recall a time where Madrid have gotten the short end of the stick when getting rid of one of their big stars, that alone should’ve raised question marks. Madrid are very good at assessing the level of their players
Robben, Makelele, Sneijder and Ozil (to a slightly lesser degree) all performed at a world class level after leaving Madrid.
I’ve said it elsewhere on the thread but Robben and Sneijder weren’t performing at Madrid, was definitely best for them to move elsewhere. Makelele was sold as result of a failed vanity project, Ozil was sold because he was no longer going to be a starter with the emergence of Isco and signing of Bale.
A player performing at a world class level for Madrid who is still at the top of their game generally never leaves Madrid
Robben was definitely performing at Madrid
Robben in his last season at Madrid was the sole reason we made UCL football
Id say odegaard but that is with hindsight. He couldnt break into the first 11 at the time
Hakimi
He wasn’t a big star though
He was bright though, great with La real the year before.
Casemiro signing was always questionable. Letting along the obscene amount of money on a 30 y/o, the guy is pretty much the opposite of every Ten Haag football idea: a slow midfield destroyer pretty poor with his feet for a manager who strives for possession and high pressing never made sense. They basically obliged him to switch to a transitional team
Casemiro is far from “poor with his feet”.
His pass percentage last season plummeted every time he played against a team competent enough to keep him under pressure, you think that’s a coincidence?