I have sympathy for people with significant mental or health issues, but most of them are just fucking weak and would rather eat a tub of ice cream than have a nice/healthy body.
A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
I agree that there are societal issues when it comes to obesity, there is a reason why it is so prevalent in some countries and so rare in others.
But there comes a point where people have to take responsibility for themselves, no one is forcing a fat person to drink ten litres of coca cola a day and it would be unfair of them to blame their gorging on the state of current affairs.
The last thing I would endorse is a nanny state that is controlling of what you can and can’t eat.
Weight loss is simple calories in vs calories out, if you ignore absolutely everything that affects both sides of the equation.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face. Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Calories in vs calories out is a nice simple way of thinking that works well if you’re healthy, young, financially stable and have free time, but for lots of people it’s just not that easy.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face.
That’s called will power. It isnt easy but it is true. Stop over eating and you lose weight.
Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Again. This is willpower. Increasing your resting calorie burn rate is done the same way as increasing your active calorie burn rate, by exercising and building music.
There is not complex equation here. Eat less and move more. It really is that simple.
Source: me a previous fatty that is now a power lifter that has a desk job sitting 8+ hours a day.
“just have more willpower” is not advice that is going to help anyone.
And I’m almost 100% sure you were young, healthy, not struggling to make ends meet and had free time and no kids during the 1-2 years it took to make lifting and dieting a habit.
I disagree. It absolutely helps people realize that the problem is not external and is only fixable by doing something yourself. No one else is going to lose weight for you.
Thanks for your vote of confidence but I was in my 30s working 12+ hour days. Sure, I wasn’t poor and still don’t have kids though, but that is on purpose.
Additionally, I don’t and have never dieted. I’ve simply stopped overeating.
The excuses fat people are making in this thread are unbelievable.
“I eat too many calories because I’m poor, I have kids and I work a lot of hours”. None of that is stopping them from putting down the fork, nor are all people in a similar position over weight.
It’s simply a combination of greed and the inability to delay gratification. Why have a nice healthy body in a few months or years when you can have cake now?
Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
Of course a healthy, balanced diet is advised, but we’re not talking about that, we’re talking about weight loss. You could eat nothing but burgers and fries and still lose weight, as long as you burn more calories than you consume, weight loss is inevitable and the easiest way to do that is simply to eat less.
I’m not arrogant, I’m opinionated and my opinion of fat people is just as valid as your opinion of me. But you’re probably only calling me a prick because the truth hurts.
I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I don’t see why I should respect people that don’t respect themselves.
If I had a big fat arse due to eating ten cream cakes a day for ten years, I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect people to say “my god, that’s a big fat arse!”.
I always felt weird when people would tell me respect is earned, since I give everyone I meet respect until they give me a reason not to. Glad to see I’m not the only one with that perception.
If someone thinks that they are respecting themselves by willfully making decisions that they know are terrible for their health, then I don know what to say, it’s not a concept that I think I could comprehend, but I’m willing to let you try changing my mind.
Well it’s true, I know I have plenty of personal flaws, but I’m willing to take criticism of them. I’m not going to expect respect for doing fuck all about my personal problems and I don’t think anyone else should.
Hard disagree. I respect people that put in hard work and effort towards achieving their goals, I don’t respect, nor do I have any time for pity parties. If you’re fat, that’s your problem, deal with it.
If someone thinks that they are respecting themselves by willfully making decisions that they know are terrible for their health
I’m gonna need you to point out someone saying this before I take this claim seriously.
I know I have plenty of personal flaws, but I’m willing to take criticism of them.
Unprompted criticism of your body is just bullying. Accepting that requires a lack of self respect.
I’m not going to expect respect for doing fuck all about my personal problems and I don’t think anyone else should.
You’re dragging the goalposts around and humping them, at this point. I didn’t say “respect for doing nothing.” Just… respect. The basic respect a human deserves for being human. Not getting on your knees, calling them lord, and complimenting their choices of fatty food. Just the bare minimum of not bullying them. Is that so hard?
I respect people that put in hard work and effort towards achieving their goals
Okay? But not every action is one to be judged on that criteria. Not everything is done to meet a goal. Just walking through town isn’t one of those things.
I don’t respect pity parties.
Who’s asking you to? Where’s the pity? Where’s the party?
The respect of not going in and talking shit on other people’s bodies absolutely is supposed to be simply expected. If I talked shit about other people’s bodies on the internet I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect T people to say “fuck, you’re a giant ass”
You’re a dick. You can say that about anything. You don’t own a house yet? That’s because of a string of poor decisions. You don’t respect yourself, otherwise you would have saved enough money. And then you’ll go, oh, but I am the one who has real problems, unlike those other fat people. Everyone who was more successful than you was lucky, everyone who was less successful was lazy. This is precisely what millionaires tell themselves to justify paying minimum wage. Those employees who accept working for this meager salary? No self respect, they deserve it.
You? You are just a self-absorbed dick who can only see things from their own perspective and have no idea about other people’s problems.
Written by someone who lost 70lb 15 years ago and didn’t gain it back. Did I suddenly acquire self-respect and discipline? Nope, just found a sustainable lifestyle that worked for me. Shocking, I know.
I think we might be using different definitions of respect. Respect as in “I want you to defer to me and do what I say” absolutely has to be earned. Respect as in “I don’t want you to shittalk people you’ve never met based on one arbitrarily selected criterion” is part of being a decent human being.
Hey boss, I’ve been fat all my life. Was a thick baby, they almost had to break my shoulders to get my out. Part of my issue is my thyroid, the other is I’m a super taster and healthy shit tastes bitter and ungodly awful. As a kid I avoided it and continued being big and I’m almost 30. I’ve only briefly known what being skinny felt like after a strict diet I hated. I got severely depressed and buried my feelings in food. As a fat person losing weight again, I have no respect for you. You’re an entitled prick who had the fortune of a coping mechanism and biology that allowed you to probably grow up skinny and developed a lifestyle to keep you that way. It’s fucking hard to do that when you’re overweight or have biological obstacles.
Interesting response. You know there’s a good amount of people who are fat purely due to their thyroid or other medical issues? People who despite proper eating and exercise are doomed to gain weight anyway. No respect or sympathy for them I gather?
It seemed like a “Sorry for the medical issue but not everything else” kind of apology, so my mistake. Just hoping you end up not holding such disdain for fat people some day.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. I feel the essence of what you said is true. I am weak and that is why I put on a lot of weight. Not because I didn’t exercise. But because I chose to eat tasty shit over healthy shit.
Something that took me a while to realise is that you don’t necessarily need to be eating rubbish food to gain weight, just too much. I think there’s this stereotype of the guy chugging down sugary drinks all day with his greasy burgers in between handfuls of sweets, but that’s not the case for most people.
What was a big help for me was getting a food scale, and working out what size portions I should be eating - particularly for carby things like rice and pasta I found I was way off on my estimates of what a decent serving should be.
Think less “Tour de france” and more “sunday boardwalk cruise” just trying to not let the pedals stop moving.
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A healthy diet is more than just not eating unhealthy food. It’s about having the right balance of nutrition and that’s quite difficult in our world. Especially if you don’t have a lot of money. Or have other dietary restrictions.
Also no one wants sympathy they just want you to not be an arrogant prick.
Weight loss is absolutely not about a balance of nutrition. Weight loss is about calories in Vs calories out. It’s that simple.
Whoever told you weight loss is nutrition dependant lied to you my man.
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I agree that there are societal issues when it comes to obesity, there is a reason why it is so prevalent in some countries and so rare in others.
But there comes a point where people have to take responsibility for themselves, no one is forcing a fat person to drink ten litres of coca cola a day and it would be unfair of them to blame their gorging on the state of current affairs.
The last thing I would endorse is a nanny state that is controlling of what you can and can’t eat.
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I thought that was obviously hyperbole. Obesity due to illness is a minority of cases of which I empathise, for most, it’s too many calories.
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Weight loss is simple calories in vs calories out, if you ignore absolutely everything that affects both sides of the equation.
Limiting calories in is almost impossible if your brain keeps telling you you’re hungry and won’t let you sleep until you stuffed your face. Increasing calories out is almost impossible if your job has you sitting on a chair all day and drains all motivation out of you, then you get home to parent your kids without a partner.
Calories in vs calories out is a nice simple way of thinking that works well if you’re healthy, young, financially stable and have free time, but for lots of people it’s just not that easy.
That’s called will power. It isnt easy but it is true. Stop over eating and you lose weight.
Again. This is willpower. Increasing your resting calorie burn rate is done the same way as increasing your active calorie burn rate, by exercising and building music.
There is not complex equation here. Eat less and move more. It really is that simple.
Source: me a previous fatty that is now a power lifter that has a desk job sitting 8+ hours a day.
“just have more willpower” is not advice that is going to help anyone.
And I’m almost 100% sure you were young, healthy, not struggling to make ends meet and had free time and no kids during the 1-2 years it took to make lifting and dieting a habit.
I disagree. It absolutely helps people realize that the problem is not external and is only fixable by doing something yourself. No one else is going to lose weight for you.
Thanks for your vote of confidence but I was in my 30s working 12+ hour days. Sure, I wasn’t poor and still don’t have kids though, but that is on purpose.
Additionally, I don’t and have never dieted. I’ve simply stopped overeating.
The excuses fat people are making in this thread are unbelievable.
“I eat too many calories because I’m poor, I have kids and I work a lot of hours”. None of that is stopping them from putting down the fork, nor are all people in a similar position over weight.
It’s simply a combination of greed and the inability to delay gratification. Why have a nice healthy body in a few months or years when you can have cake now?
Macros are for people with too much time or who have a nutritional deficiency diagnosed by a doctor. At 400 pounds I got a full time job that requires me to be on my feet for over seven full hours. First month was agony. Changing nothing else, still eating garbage, I’m steadily losing weight. If I even glanced at my calories and made a change or two I’m sure I’d speed it up but after fucking with macros and getting nowhere, calories really are the biggest and probably only thing you NEED to be aware of.
You don’t need to go from living in bed eating pastries all day to fitness God and gymrat overnight. Start with a walk, get your feet used to being a little sore. Cut some junk down and increase protein consumption. Step by step, make positive and sustainable changes. Sustainable. Dont eat cardboard and think you can maintain that. Look for something healthy you enjoy eating even if it’s not perfect.
I still eat muffins and chocolate milk in the morning and I’m losing weight. We got this guys.
Of course a healthy, balanced diet is advised, but we’re not talking about that, we’re talking about weight loss. You could eat nothing but burgers and fries and still lose weight, as long as you burn more calories than you consume, weight loss is inevitable and the easiest way to do that is simply to eat less.
I’m not arrogant, I’m opinionated and my opinion of fat people is just as valid as your opinion of me. But you’re probably only calling me a prick because the truth hurts.
I’m just trying to demonstrate that insulting people is not going to get them on side. And also spreading misinformation is unhelpful and dangerous, even if you didn’t mean to do it.
What misinformation?
I get your point, but some people need tough love.
What misinformation are you talking about? I don’t think I’ve said anything factually incorrect.
“Nobody wakes up fat” is a great line that I’m going to start using all the time.
I guess being a dick to people also happens over time after countless poor decisions
I’m not a dick to fat people, I just have no respect for them.
And that makes you a dick.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I don’t see why I should respect people that don’t respect themselves.
If I had a big fat arse due to eating ten cream cakes a day for ten years, I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect people to say “my god, that’s a big fat arse!”.
Respect is to be earned, not simply expected.
Source for the lack of self respect? Or is that just your… opinion?
Honestly, that sounds like no self respect to me. But what do I know?
Nope, expertise is something you earn. Respect should be expected.
I always felt weird when people would tell me respect is earned, since I give everyone I meet respect until they give me a reason not to. Glad to see I’m not the only one with that perception.
You’re right, that’s also my perspective. I too am glad to see I’m not alone.
If someone thinks that they are respecting themselves by willfully making decisions that they know are terrible for their health, then I don know what to say, it’s not a concept that I think I could comprehend, but I’m willing to let you try changing my mind.
Well it’s true, I know I have plenty of personal flaws, but I’m willing to take criticism of them. I’m not going to expect respect for doing fuck all about my personal problems and I don’t think anyone else should.
Hard disagree. I respect people that put in hard work and effort towards achieving their goals, I don’t respect, nor do I have any time for pity parties. If you’re fat, that’s your problem, deal with it.
I’m gonna need you to point out someone saying this before I take this claim seriously.
Unprompted criticism of your body is just bullying. Accepting that requires a lack of self respect.
You’re dragging the goalposts around and humping them, at this point. I didn’t say “respect for doing nothing.” Just… respect. The basic respect a human deserves for being human. Not getting on your knees, calling them lord, and complimenting their choices of fatty food. Just the bare minimum of not bullying them. Is that so hard?
Okay? But not every action is one to be judged on that criteria. Not everything is done to meet a goal. Just walking through town isn’t one of those things.
Who’s asking you to? Where’s the pity? Where’s the party?
The respect of not going in and talking shit on other people’s bodies absolutely is supposed to be simply expected. If I talked shit about other people’s bodies on the internet I wouldn’t expect respect, I’d expect T people to say “fuck, you’re a giant ass”
You’re a dick. You can say that about anything. You don’t own a house yet? That’s because of a string of poor decisions. You don’t respect yourself, otherwise you would have saved enough money. And then you’ll go, oh, but I am the one who has real problems, unlike those other fat people. Everyone who was more successful than you was lucky, everyone who was less successful was lazy. This is precisely what millionaires tell themselves to justify paying minimum wage. Those employees who accept working for this meager salary? No self respect, they deserve it.
You? You are just a self-absorbed dick who can only see things from their own perspective and have no idea about other people’s problems.
Written by someone who lost 70lb 15 years ago and didn’t gain it back. Did I suddenly acquire self-respect and discipline? Nope, just found a sustainable lifestyle that worked for me. Shocking, I know.
Congratulations on working out how not to be fat
Fuck your judgemental attitude.
I think we might be using different definitions of respect. Respect as in “I want you to defer to me and do what I say” absolutely has to be earned. Respect as in “I don’t want you to shittalk people you’ve never met based on one arbitrarily selected criterion” is part of being a decent human being.
Hey boss, I’ve been fat all my life. Was a thick baby, they almost had to break my shoulders to get my out. Part of my issue is my thyroid, the other is I’m a super taster and healthy shit tastes bitter and ungodly awful. As a kid I avoided it and continued being big and I’m almost 30. I’ve only briefly known what being skinny felt like after a strict diet I hated. I got severely depressed and buried my feelings in food. As a fat person losing weight again, I have no respect for you. You’re an entitled prick who had the fortune of a coping mechanism and biology that allowed you to probably grow up skinny and developed a lifestyle to keep you that way. It’s fucking hard to do that when you’re overweight or have biological obstacles.
Sincerely, fuck off, from a fat person.
Sorry about your thyroid problem
Interesting response. You know there’s a good amount of people who are fat purely due to their thyroid or other medical issues? People who despite proper eating and exercise are doomed to gain weight anyway. No respect or sympathy for them I gather?
That’s why I said sorry. Sorry that you took it sarcastically.
It seemed like a “Sorry for the medical issue but not everything else” kind of apology, so my mistake. Just hoping you end up not holding such disdain for fat people some day.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you. I feel the essence of what you said is true. I am weak and that is why I put on a lot of weight. Not because I didn’t exercise. But because I chose to eat tasty shit over healthy shit.
Thank you for being honest. I have my own issues that I know need to work on.
Fuck icecream is pretty good but
It’s worth dying for! :D
Something that took me a while to realise is that you don’t necessarily need to be eating rubbish food to gain weight, just too much. I think there’s this stereotype of the guy chugging down sugary drinks all day with his greasy burgers in between handfuls of sweets, but that’s not the case for most people.
What was a big help for me was getting a food scale, and working out what size portions I should be eating - particularly for carby things like rice and pasta I found I was way off on my estimates of what a decent serving should be.
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