Not gonna comment on whatever Hamas says, but the actual (actual actual) reason the EU (and even in the US- LAND OF FREEDOM my ass) is pissy is not because of pro-Zionist/pro-Israel racist bullshit against Arabs. They’re mad about anti-Zionist (not anti-Semitic).
Although right wingers surely will and are using this time as a chance to say Nazi shit themselves and yes this stuff should be removed. But not anti-Israel/anti-Zionist comments.
If this sounds like a “double standard” to anyone that’s because it is. Unlike the right wingers and libs (also right wing…) I, and many on the left, will openly admit my bias. I don’t like racism, anti-Semitism, anti-LGBTQ+, etc. dogshit existing online. I also really don’t like fucking pro-Zionist pigdogs (new insult, thanks Hasan) equating Zionists and Jews as if they are interchangeable. They are not. Many Jews around the world oppose apartheid and genocide of the Palestinians because they rightly see what Israel has created and is continuing to expand on as a Jewish ethnostate where indigenous Arab Muslims are denied citizenship, rights, and any sort of freedom at all.
For the EU/US and any other group or country to equate calls for dismantling of a racist apartheid state to “hating Jews” broadly is disgusting, ahistorical, and frankly few things piss me off more than that sort of accusation probably because I have studied the Holocaust under the Nazis and I understand more than most (definitely true for Americans) that what Israel and their Zionist leaders have done and are doing is exactly fucking equivalent to what Adolf Hitler and his goons did. Only Israel has been successful, so far, in garnering international respect and avoiding war with nations that could stop them from continuing. England (the UK), the US, Canada, western EU broadly, etc. All the colonial powers united to back the modern colonial settler state- imagine that!
I honestly think this might be the issue that the US and/or Europe uses to begin rollbacks of whatever marginal leftist movements we have here. I absolutely would not be surprised to see a bill passed in the US making anti-Zionism or anti-Israel rhetoric broadly speaking illegal or considered some sort of hate crime. So if you’re out protesting Israel bombing two million people, about a million of which are literal children, well, you’re a Nazi buddy! And that can’t be tolerated! Maybe they’ll tie it together in a bill like “prevent fascism!” bill and they’ll label anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism as the same ideology and ban it all or highly restrict it in some way. Maybe deny funding to corporations who allow it on their servers, who knows, there’s a million ways to force dogshit down the throat if they want to make us eat it.
When I heard decrepit, 170 years old Joe say the other day (paraphrasing) “I’m having the FBI protect and look into events of anti-Semitism across the country.” All I could think was “does he mean actual anti-Semitism or does he mean anti-Israel/anti-Zionism?” The former is fine, but since when has anyone in law enforcement actually given a shit about minorities like Jewish people in the US? Hmm. I can’t prove any of this obviously, but it just felt like he was testing the waters on how people respond to the FBI being lightly sent after pro-Palestinian protesters. That racist piece of trash Johnathon Greenblat called Palestinian protesters anti-Semitic on TV less than 24 hours after Biden’s FBI comment. It really makes you fucking wonder what shit we might learn the FBI has been doing to protesters, specifically Palestinians and Arabs generally, in the coming months/years.
I’m very aware of that. It goes for Canada, Australia, obviously England and France too.
That’s why it’s “funny” when Zionists try to say “well, the US genocided their indigenous!” And I just respond with “yeah, true. And that was bad and anyone alive at the time had a responsibility to end that genocide.”
I guess they think one country doing a “successful” and basically complete genocide justifies their continued efforts towards completion of their “final solution for the Palestinian question.” The Nazis decided to round up all the Jews, Roma, Slavs, etc. and mass execute them. The Americans drove them further west on death marches along with mass executions and pushed them into inhospitable lands which they were unaccustomed to. Among other ways of killing. The British carried out mass purposeful starvations, bombardment from their naval ships on cities, etc. The difference in all of these is the moment we live in and what we can do to stop it. It doesn’t excuse the past or make it “ok,” but we can’t stop those genocides now. We can stop this one. Maybe.
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Not gonna comment on whatever Hamas says, but the actual (actual actual) reason the EU (and even in the US- LAND OF FREEDOM my ass) is pissy is not because of pro-Zionist/pro-Israel racist bullshit against Arabs. They’re mad about anti-Zionist (not anti-Semitic).
Although right wingers surely will and are using this time as a chance to say Nazi shit themselves and yes this stuff should be removed. But not anti-Israel/anti-Zionist comments.
If this sounds like a “double standard” to anyone that’s because it is. Unlike the right wingers and libs (also right wing…) I, and many on the left, will openly admit my bias. I don’t like racism, anti-Semitism, anti-LGBTQ+, etc. dogshit existing online. I also really don’t like fucking pro-Zionist pigdogs (new insult, thanks Hasan) equating Zionists and Jews as if they are interchangeable. They are not. Many Jews around the world oppose apartheid and genocide of the Palestinians because they rightly see what Israel has created and is continuing to expand on as a Jewish ethnostate where indigenous Arab Muslims are denied citizenship, rights, and any sort of freedom at all.
For the EU/US and any other group or country to equate calls for dismantling of a racist apartheid state to “hating Jews” broadly is disgusting, ahistorical, and frankly few things piss me off more than that sort of accusation probably because I have studied the Holocaust under the Nazis and I understand more than most (definitely true for Americans) that what Israel and their Zionist leaders have done and are doing is exactly fucking equivalent to what Adolf Hitler and his goons did. Only Israel has been successful, so far, in garnering international respect and avoiding war with nations that could stop them from continuing. England (the UK), the US, Canada, western EU broadly, etc. All the colonial powers united to back the modern colonial settler state- imagine that!
I honestly think this might be the issue that the US and/or Europe uses to begin rollbacks of whatever marginal leftist movements we have here. I absolutely would not be surprised to see a bill passed in the US making anti-Zionism or anti-Israel rhetoric broadly speaking illegal or considered some sort of hate crime. So if you’re out protesting Israel bombing two million people, about a million of which are literal children, well, you’re a Nazi buddy! And that can’t be tolerated! Maybe they’ll tie it together in a bill like “prevent fascism!” bill and they’ll label anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism as the same ideology and ban it all or highly restrict it in some way. Maybe deny funding to corporations who allow it on their servers, who knows, there’s a million ways to force dogshit down the throat if they want to make us eat it.
When I heard decrepit, 170 years old Joe say the other day (paraphrasing) “I’m having the FBI protect and look into events of anti-Semitism across the country.” All I could think was “does he mean actual anti-Semitism or does he mean anti-Israel/anti-Zionism?” The former is fine, but since when has anyone in law enforcement actually given a shit about minorities like Jewish people in the US? Hmm. I can’t prove any of this obviously, but it just felt like he was testing the waters on how people respond to the FBI being lightly sent after pro-Palestinian protesters. That racist piece of trash Johnathon Greenblat called Palestinian protesters anti-Semitic on TV less than 24 hours after Biden’s FBI comment. It really makes you fucking wonder what shit we might learn the FBI has been doing to protesters, specifically Palestinians and Arabs generally, in the coming months/years.
The U.S. was successful in performing genocide and getting international respect doing it as well.
I’m very aware of that. It goes for Canada, Australia, obviously England and France too.
That’s why it’s “funny” when Zionists try to say “well, the US genocided their indigenous!” And I just respond with “yeah, true. And that was bad and anyone alive at the time had a responsibility to end that genocide.”
I guess they think one country doing a “successful” and basically complete genocide justifies their continued efforts towards completion of their “final solution for the Palestinian question.” The Nazis decided to round up all the Jews, Roma, Slavs, etc. and mass execute them. The Americans drove them further west on death marches along with mass executions and pushed them into inhospitable lands which they were unaccustomed to. Among other ways of killing. The British carried out mass purposeful starvations, bombardment from their naval ships on cities, etc. The difference in all of these is the moment we live in and what we can do to stop it. It doesn’t excuse the past or make it “ok,” but we can’t stop those genocides now. We can stop this one. Maybe.