• kool_newt@beehaw.orgOP
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    Suggesting that vulnerable people avoid guns or disarm in the face of rising fascism targeting them is ludicrous. That’s not to say every situation would improve, or that this situation would’ve been different.

    Edit: Also, lets be clear, the police don’t need the excuse of you having a weapon to shoot you, they’ve demonstrated repeatedly they will come up with an excuse and likely get away with it.

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      As the kind of person who is targeted by rising fascism, I would prefer you did not speak for us. I am firmly against gun ownership. The statistics show that having a gun on you makes you less safe, not more.

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        As the kind of person who is targeted by rising fascism, I would prefer you did not speak for us.

        As someone who knows that you have no idea what “kind of person” @[email protected] is… I would suggest you don’t act like you can take away someones voice on behalf of “your” category of people.

        Nobody can speak for a whole race, color, creed, type, or any other aggregate of people that includes the “whole” of people. They very well could be “vulnerable” themselves and you’ve just dismissed their statement in the affirmative against your stance.

        And to preempt it. You also don’t know who/what I am. So don’t bother with your crappy logic on me either.

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          I didn’t say they weren’t a vulnerable person, merely that even if they were they did not speak for us.

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            I would prefer you did not speak for us.

            If they cannot represent the entire class of people… Then you can’t either.

            Next time just say “Don’t speak for me”.

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                  Yeah, if I’d literally said, “I speak for us.” All I said was, “You don’t speak for us.” Which is true. I never claimed to be speaking for anyone but myself.

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                    They may very well speak for some. You don’t know. But regardless, they appear to only be speaking for themselves. So you’re response of “don’t speak for us” is indeed invoking the entire class.

                    And no, you’re not speaking for yourself when you say “us” unless you’ve got Dissociative Identity Disorder or something of that nature… Or possible identify with “us” as a pronoun?

                    Otherwise… when I say “come with us” do you expect to go somewhere with me alone? or as a group? Probably the latter… and that should prove my point. You’re speaking for others when you said “don’t speak for us”.

      • kool_newt@beehaw.orgOP
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        Who said I was speaking for “us”? And what makes you think I’m not in that group?