It’s weird how gamers see Gabe Newel as “their” billionaire, and valve as “their” corporation, and convince themselves that this makes it ok and ethical to be a billionaire and a massive corporation bordering on monopoly.
Stop behaving like these corporations are your sports teams.
It’s weird that a corporation is able to and continues to offer a good product at a reasonable price, do so in a way that is convenient for the customer, and somehow hasn’t enshitified yet.
People like valve because valve earned that trust.
To add to that, if valve starts going in a direction I don’t like, I may cut ties with them. Gabe and Valve haven’t earned undying loyalty. They have earned the benefit of the doubt for now. We should be skeptical of anyone that is profit driven, but there isn’t anything wrong with enjoying moments where their actions seem to align with our interests.
I don’t see it that way but Steam has never enshittified in way that was noticeable to me and the features they offer along with the games are valuable. They are also a big driver of Linux development for games. That earns them a lot of points. If they flip or something better comes along I have no loyalty to them.
Yeah you are totally right, we shouldn’t think of corporations as friends.
There is however a difference and that is that Valve is a private company while others like Amazon are publicly traded and therefore even more profit-orientated.
As long as Valve makes enough profit to be able to cope with a couple bad years it is doing alright.
This is the key thing. Publicly traded companies effectively have no head. They are driven by the legal mandate to pursue the profit motive for faceless and litigious investors. Yes the ceo/chairman of the board usually has a controlling share, but some rando who has one share from Robinhood can sue if they think the company is not operating with their interests in mind.
Small businesses and private companies can also be evil, but at least everyone who owns the company knows each other. They may decide to take a loss if they think it would make them look better to the public in the long run. Public companies cannot. They are expected to gobble up as much profit as they can. And when they can’t make more profit they are gobbled up by other more vigorous companies that are owned by the same investors. It’s a sick game that is eating the world and humanity to death.
How a corporation uses its money and how it earns its profits should be under scrutiny. Customers can have a “fair” relationship with a company where everyone gets what they want - a good product at a fair price and a fair profit.
However, if a company gets their profits via enshittification, suppressing wages and benefits, using their profits to politically undermine workers and engage in monopolistic behavior, etc. they are just another run of the mill evil corporation.
Yeah, billionaires suck. You don’t get to be a billionaire by not taking as much as you can vs improving the costs to customers or employee benefits.
It’s more people like Valve as a service than liking Gabe. Helps that it is a private company so not beholden to stockholders and has a reasonable amount of employees for a more sustainable business. Not that it can’t all go to shit, but I trust publicly traded companies even less when it comes to having to rake over consumers to keep increasing stock prices.
I feel similarly, but I don’t (often) see people forgiving Steam’s faults. You can like a product and a company for doing good things for you without believing they’re beyond fault. Steam is pretty fucking nice. Saying you like it doesn’t mean you believe it’s 100% good and Gaben can do no wrong.
I think reason Valve die hards don’t care about the loot box portion is because they are the type more likely to be using Valve to buy games so spend more of their time buying and playing individual games.
The ones most exposed to loot boxes seem to be the ones who are the type to only play 1 or 2 games, and are fully invested in live service titles and is a majority of their gaming time.
So likely very different demographics when it comes to type of games they play and what they spend. One leaning more towards in game virtual goods than outright buying games. So it’s a group that can be completely unknown to game collectors.
Yeah me too since I don’t really play multiplayer games developed by valve anymore.
I will say though, to me it is a lot more than just loot boxes. These “in game” items have real world value which add to the risk reward factor that made them so addictive to me growing up
Consumerism and capitalism essentially dictate that large-scale gaming can’t exist without publishers. Studios need to get funded, and most developers struggle with tasks like publishing, marketing, analytics, and handling payments. While a company could theoretically manage all of this itself, it demands a lot of specialized talent, which schools only teach to a limited extent in a manner relevant to the gaming industry.
Publishers (almost) can’t help but be somewhat offensive to the public. They are there to make money and (the good ones, at least) put money back into the market so they can make more money.
Valve is less offensive than many/most. Gabe was an underdog story. Valve released some damn fine games before they primarily became publishers.
It’s weird how gamers see Gabe Newel as “their” billionaire, and valve as “their” corporation, and convince themselves that this makes it ok and ethical to be a billionaire and a massive corporation bordering on monopoly. Stop behaving like these corporations are your sports teams.
Ive never heard anyone say that its ethical for someone to be a billionaire if they are Gabe Newel.
Ive heard people say they like steam and would prefer to do business with a non-enshittified private company.
It’s weird that a corporation is able to and continues to offer a good product at a reasonable price, do so in a way that is convenient for the customer, and somehow hasn’t enshitified yet.
People like valve because valve earned that trust.
To add to that, if valve starts going in a direction I don’t like, I may cut ties with them. Gabe and Valve haven’t earned undying loyalty. They have earned the benefit of the doubt for now. We should be skeptical of anyone that is profit driven, but there isn’t anything wrong with enjoying moments where their actions seem to align with our interests.
I don’t see it that way but Steam has never enshittified in way that was noticeable to me and the features they offer along with the games are valuable. They are also a big driver of Linux development for games. That earns them a lot of points. If they flip or something better comes along I have no loyalty to them.
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Yeah you are totally right, we shouldn’t think of corporations as friends.
There is however a difference and that is that Valve is a private company while others like Amazon are publicly traded and therefore even more profit-orientated. As long as Valve makes enough profit to be able to cope with a couple bad years it is doing alright.
This is the key thing. Publicly traded companies effectively have no head. They are driven by the legal mandate to pursue the profit motive for faceless and litigious investors. Yes the ceo/chairman of the board usually has a controlling share, but some rando who has one share from Robinhood can sue if they think the company is not operating with their interests in mind.
Small businesses and private companies can also be evil, but at least everyone who owns the company knows each other. They may decide to take a loss if they think it would make them look better to the public in the long run. Public companies cannot. They are expected to gobble up as much profit as they can. And when they can’t make more profit they are gobbled up by other more vigorous companies that are owned by the same investors. It’s a sick game that is eating the world and humanity to death.
How a corporation uses its money and how it earns its profits should be under scrutiny. Customers can have a “fair” relationship with a company where everyone gets what they want - a good product at a fair price and a fair profit.
However, if a company gets their profits via enshittification, suppressing wages and benefits, using their profits to politically undermine workers and engage in monopolistic behavior, etc. they are just another run of the mill evil corporation.
Yeah, billionaires suck. You don’t get to be a billionaire by not taking as much as you can vs improving the costs to customers or employee benefits.
It’s more people like Valve as a service than liking Gabe. Helps that it is a private company so not beholden to stockholders and has a reasonable amount of employees for a more sustainable business. Not that it can’t all go to shit, but I trust publicly traded companies even less when it comes to having to rake over consumers to keep increasing stock prices.
Your mom was wrong
I feel similarly, but I don’t (often) see people forgiving Steam’s faults. You can like a product and a company for doing good things for you without believing they’re beyond fault. Steam is pretty fucking nice. Saying you like it doesn’t mean you believe it’s 100% good and Gaben can do no wrong.
I think people just ignore and don’t pay attention to them. Also valve is great at hiding them.
It’s no secret that a lot of their ventures are funded by child gambling addictions that valve has enabled
I think reason Valve die hards don’t care about the loot box portion is because they are the type more likely to be using Valve to buy games so spend more of their time buying and playing individual games.
The ones most exposed to loot boxes seem to be the ones who are the type to only play 1 or 2 games, and are fully invested in live service titles and is a majority of their gaming time.
So likely very different demographics when it comes to type of games they play and what they spend. One leaning more towards in game virtual goods than outright buying games. So it’s a group that can be completely unknown to game collectors.
I always forget about loot boxes tbh, because I don’t use them. But you’re totally right.
Yeah me too since I don’t really play multiplayer games developed by valve anymore.
I will say though, to me it is a lot more than just loot boxes. These “in game” items have real world value which add to the risk reward factor that made them so addictive to me growing up
Valve hasn’t really done much to stop this issue
Their „sports teams” are vessels for billionaires to make more money too. They have barely anything at all in common with sports.
True, we shouldn’t be ‘backing’ them.
Consumerism and capitalism essentially dictate that large-scale gaming can’t exist without publishers. Studios need to get funded, and most developers struggle with tasks like publishing, marketing, analytics, and handling payments. While a company could theoretically manage all of this itself, it demands a lot of specialized talent, which schools only teach to a limited extent in a manner relevant to the gaming industry.
Publishers (almost) can’t help but be somewhat offensive to the public. They are there to make money and (the good ones, at least) put money back into the market so they can make more money.
Valve is less offensive than many/most. Gabe was an underdog story. Valve released some damn fine games before they primarily became publishers.
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