I get the concept of the meme. There are a lot of people out there ‘worried’ about immigrants taking their (absolutely safe, no fucking way they are going to get that job) jobs
However, fresh immigration does drive down the pay for trade work in areas where immigrants are skilled. Bricklayers, Drywallers, Painters, and Guys slinging up ductwork are getting paid peanuts.
Immigrants coming in do compete for the jobs other immigrants already hold. Any if their status is in question, they’ll work even cheaper.
That’s not the concept of the meme, you have 100% missed the point. Or rather, that’s expressed in the meme. Yes, “foreigner” would want a cookie which the white guy has. But your conception is still that they’re fighting over that one cookie, while the rich dude is actually hoarding all the cookies. You have fully fallen for the propaganda.
However, fresh immigration does drive down the pay for trade work in areas where immigrants are skilled
Let’s just be realistic about one thing, there will always be fresh immigration and you will never see all 20million undocumented people deported.
The problem is that people who told you to be worried about immigrants are using your fear to keep them as an ‘illegal’ underclass. If they were just accepted as human beings and given the same legal rights and protections as everyone else, they too would have to be paid above minimum wage. They couldn’t be forced to work crazy hours for fear of deportation. You would have more people able to join your unions and make your attempts at collective bargaining stronger.
So the answer to your concerns, if genuine, is to stop demonizing these people and start the process of giving them all documentation.
It would be great if they had fast tracks toward citizenship and made a livable wage. But then the farmer employing them wouldn’t have as many people on staff.
So do you support giving them citizenship, or are you advocating that we continue to allow the farmer to exploit these people?
Any research into immigrants’ impact on economy has found that they benefit the local economy. Moreover when immigrants are picked up by ICE, e.g., during Obama presidency, research also found that jobs didn’t increase and incomes were stagnant.
Check out this book, if you want to look at the research yourself: The Truth About Immigration by Zeke Hernandez
From the excerpt:
Skeptics fear that newcomers compete economically with locals because of their similarities and fail to socially assimilate because of their differences. You’ll see that it’s exactly the opposite: newcomers bring enduring economic benefits because of their differences and contribute positively to society because of their similarities.
Any research into immigrants’ impact on economy has found that they benefit the local economy.
Obviously, they’re filling jobs that are hard and undesirable. They’re filling those jobs often at rates far below the actual value because of their status. It’s like a relaxed version of slave labor. They live together near poverty, doing better than where it was where they came from, and the local economy thrives because the people paying them are making tons of money and spending it locally. Then there’s always the local service economy because they have to eat, rent, and have personal care.
It would be great if they had fast tracks toward citizenship and made a livable wage. But then the farmer employing them wouldn’t have as many people on staff.
Works even for inmigrants
I get the concept of the meme. There are a lot of people out there ‘worried’ about immigrants taking their (absolutely safe, no fucking way they are going to get that job) jobs
However, fresh immigration does drive down the pay for trade work in areas where immigrants are skilled. Bricklayers, Drywallers, Painters, and Guys slinging up ductwork are getting paid peanuts.
Immigrants coming in do compete for the jobs other immigrants already hold. Any if their status is in question, they’ll work even cheaper.
-proceeds to not understand the concept of the meme and repeat provably false anti-immigration talking points-
Is this the literacy crisis everyone is talking about? Chat, are we cooked?
Yes, you’re cooked.
Cookied.
That’s not the concept of the meme, you have 100% missed the point. Or rather, that’s expressed in the meme. Yes, “foreigner” would want a cookie which the white guy has. But your conception is still that they’re fighting over that one cookie, while the rich dude is actually hoarding all the cookies. You have fully fallen for the propaganda.
Let’s just be realistic about one thing, there will always be fresh immigration and you will never see all 20million undocumented people deported.
The problem is that people who told you to be worried about immigrants are using your fear to keep them as an ‘illegal’ underclass. If they were just accepted as human beings and given the same legal rights and protections as everyone else, they too would have to be paid above minimum wage. They couldn’t be forced to work crazy hours for fear of deportation. You would have more people able to join your unions and make your attempts at collective bargaining stronger.
So the answer to your concerns, if genuine, is to stop demonizing these people and start the process of giving them all documentation.
funny enough, I covered those points in the same manner you mentioned in another post.
https://lemmy.zip/post/31282360/16396674
So do you support giving them citizenship, or are you advocating that we continue to allow the farmer to exploit these people?
fuck slavery, give them citizenship
Any research into immigrants’ impact on economy has found that they benefit the local economy. Moreover when immigrants are picked up by ICE, e.g., during Obama presidency, research also found that jobs didn’t increase and incomes were stagnant.
Check out this book, if you want to look at the research yourself: The Truth About Immigration by Zeke Hernandez
From the excerpt:
Skeptics fear that newcomers compete economically with locals because of their similarities and fail to socially assimilate because of their differences. You’ll see that it’s exactly the opposite: newcomers bring enduring economic benefits because of their differences and contribute positively to society because of their similarities.
Obviously, they’re filling jobs that are hard and undesirable. They’re filling those jobs often at rates far below the actual value because of their status. It’s like a relaxed version of slave labor. They live together near poverty, doing better than where it was where they came from, and the local economy thrives because the people paying them are making tons of money and spending it locally. Then there’s always the local service economy because they have to eat, rent, and have personal care.
It would be great if they had fast tracks toward citizenship and made a livable wage. But then the farmer employing them wouldn’t have as many people on staff.