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I see “Maple sugar and maple syrup” on the list. That will show Canada who is boss.
Seriously though, I’d imagine an extra 25% cost on US food goods will lead to them being sourced somewhere else rather than pay that.
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Every damned spreadsheet should have the header locked so that you can quickly know what you are looking at after row 25. You can’t change my mind.
I want to apologize to you guys. I’m sorry you’re forced to suffer for my country’s stupidity voting in this dipshit. You don’t deserve this.
I do love that your government is clapping back against the bully, because only terrible things follow when you appease fascists.
But it’s regular Canadians getting squeezed in the middle as a consequence. For both our sakes I hope this ends soon
I appreciate the sentiment, but please gather together with your friends and neighbors and fix your country’s shit.
No, I don’t have a step-by-step plan to give you, it’s your country, you should know better than me what’s effective where you live.
I feel the same way. On the one hand, there’s nobody else I’d rather have slap sense into us than one of our closest allies. But average Canadians don’t deserve to be wrapped up in our godawful drama. Here’s hoping they can hit us hard enough to get back on the right track sooner rather than later.
Disappointed to not see Tesla on the list. Target the oligarchs behind this.
Well old Doug the drug dealer did step up.
Hopefully that will be on the second round of teriffs i n 3 weeks?
yea, throw a nice 50-100% tariff on those
Just immediately stop sending electricity and oil. At any price.
It would do less damage to the Canadian economy than these tariffs and be resolved a lot sooner.
Fuck me thats a long list. Here’s a summary in the order I found them. Probably missed a few, I’m on mobile and it’s Sunday…
- Meat.
- Eggs.
- Dairy products.
- Various fruit+veg.
- Beans.
- Nuts.
- Coffee.
- Tea.
- Various seasonings (vanilla, nutmeg, pepper, etc)
- Grain.
- Cooking oils.
- Sugar.
- Chocolate.
- Pasta.
- Alcohol. (wine+spirits)
- Tobacco.
- Sand.
- Perfume/Beauty products.
- Cleaning products.
- Appliances.
- Building materials.
- Misc housewares.
- Clothing.
- Linens (sheets, towels, drapery, curtains, etc)
- Diamonds.
- Silver.
- Platinum. (I didn’t see gold oddly, just gold plated silver)
- Jewelry.
- Hand/power tools.
- Industrial equipment/machinery.
- Firearms.
- Explosives.
- Light fittings/bulbs.
Video game consoles.- Casino game consoles
- Playing Cards.
- Paintings.
While it is an extensive list, none of those are things that we can’t get elsewhere, or that we don’t already make ourselves.
Or things that we can’t do without for a while.
Turkey. Turkey is a big one
- Various fruit+veg.
Stick with local produce. We grow a lot in Canada.
- Beans.
Nearly all the beans/legumes on store shelves are from Canada.
- Nuts.
This one is difficult, especially almonds. We do have a thriving seed industry: hemp, flax, etc.
- Coffee.
What coffee comes from the USA?? Canadian roasters are everywhere and they import beans from South America.
- Tea.
Same as above, get your tea from Japan, China, India, etc.
- Various seasonings (vanilla, nutmeg, pepper, etc)
Seasoning blends are very often from the states, but look for local blends. Or get single spices and make your own! Or go ethnic, and get spices from Asia, Mexico, etc.
- Grain.
Canada grows wheat, oats, wild rice, barley, rye, etc. No issues here. Get Asian rice if your worried about rice.
- Cooking oils.
We produce a lot of cooking oil in Canada. For olive oil (not really a cooking oil), go with Italian.
- Sugar.
China, Brazil, and India produce more than the US. We can get it from them.
- Chocolate.
Go with Swiss chocolate.
- Pasta.
Plenty of made in Canada pasta. Go with Italian if you want another option.
With the exception of citrus, some processed junk food, and a few odds and ends, Canada is quite food secure.
If animal products are a concern, stop eating them. Make tarrifs your excuse to go plant-based this year 👍
I am so so so glad I’m vegan. Also the fucking H5N1 virus is bad news bears. Now is really a good time to stop eating animal products even for your own safety because holy fuck.
Just to note that American rice tends to have high levels of heavy metals. So even without tariffs you shouldn’t be buying American rice.
Fruits and veg are the tough one. We don’t grow a whole lot of fresh green veggies in the winter. We don’t grow any citrus fruits whatsoever. We don’t grow berries in the winter.
Basically if you only eat local produce you’re going to be living entirely off preserves for half the year, the way my grandparents did a hundred years ago.
Unless of course you have a lot of space in your house to set up grow lights and grow your own greens indoors. I’m looking at that but it’s not easy to grow head lettuces like romaine that way.
I think you’ll also just start seeing more citrus from Spain and South Africa and other places.
Spanish citrus is fine but every orange I’ve ever bought from South Africa has been inedible. Dry, mealy, and bitter. Awful garbage that’s clearly been picked a month too early.
Well I guess we’ll work it out somehow. I don’t know all the answers but we’ll figure it out. This also happened so perhaps it’ll help.
We don’t grow a whole lot of fresh green veggies in the winter.
Right now I have lettuce, fresh herbs and fresh tomatoes that were grown in greenhouses in Alberta.
We don’t grow any citrus fruits whatsoever
A lot of other countries that aren’t attacking us do, though.
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Nobody said this would be easy, but that entire list is stuff that we can get elsewhere, can make ourselves, or that we can survive without until we can find a friendlier source.
I’ll look for Alberta lettuce in stores next time. I have literally never seen it. And I check the labels regularly to see where produce comes from.
If it helps, I’m in Ontario. So maybe Alberta lettuce isn’t shipped here.
You’d be surprised, but we grow a lot throughout the winter.
Take Ontario, for example.
You get even more options if you buy frozen or produce outside of North America or even just include Mexico (bananas, berries, mangoes, etc.)
Sure, it’s convenient that we had a partnership with our neighbours, but we have to look past them now, and probably for at least the next four years.
The question is: do we grow enough greenhouse lettuce in Canada to meet demand? That seems to be nowhere near the case, as all the stuff I see in stores in the winter is from the US.
Let’s say it was a 10000% tariff on US lettuce so that stores wouldn’t bother stocking it at all. What would the price of Canadian greenhouse lettuce be? $10? $20? $50?
do we grow enough greenhouse lettuce in Canada to meet demand?
We send over $18 million of lettuce to the States per year. We can stop doing that and keep it for ourselves, if that ever becomes an issue.
Currently, we grow over 20 million KG of lettuce in greenhouses, so I don’t think we have to worry about seasons, either.
On the flip side, if we didn’t waste as much produce as we do, we’d always be in a surplus as far as I see.
Most produce waste is at the distribution and commercial level. Stores won’t buy ugly produce because consumers are picky about it.
Lettuce is a big problem though because it spoils really fast. It’s not like a green pepper that looks like an ugly goblin but is otherwise fresh and tasty. Bad lettuce is heavily wilted and covered in brown rust. Nobody will buy that, especially not at regular price, next to pristine lettuce.
20 million kg of lettuce. Is that per day? Canada has a population of 40 million. If that number is per year then it’s basically 500 grams per person per year. Most people who eat lettuce regularly eat more than that per week.
Fortunately, there have been some advancements to reduce food waste through apps that partner with grocery stores to list nearly expired items at a deep discount.
What firearms does the US get from Canada?
Apparently we export several billions of dollars worth of munitions a supplies to the US and various other countries. Lots of embarrassingly authoritarian countries on the list.
Video game consoles
Seems like this is limited to arcade machines and playing cards.
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Other games, operated by coins, banknotes, bank cards, tokens or by other means of payment, other than automatic bowling alley equipment
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Playing cards
Fair. I was tired of scrolling on a touch screen by that point. Didn’t look too closely
It took me a few minutes to figure out, too.
I got tired of scrolling after just getting to Meat, so the list is appreciated.
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I guess I’ll just skip those items
Realizes it’s almost all food
Well shit… at least I don’t need sand anytime soon.
Keep in mind, the response is targeted at products that we actually produce in Canada. There should be Canadian alternatives to all of these.
Keep in mind that a huge percent of food you find in Canada is made from Canadian ingredients.
The list covers every we could import, but most of those are produced in Canada, just read the labels.
I’m sure you can find food that isn’t imported from the US.
That seems less targeted than I had expected.
It’s almost entirely things that we also make ourselves, or can get from other, more friendly countries.
Or things tlat we can comfortably do without for an extended time (playing cards and jewelry, for example)
TBH I’m in favour of a full embargo. Halt trade altogether.
- tires (listed 36 times)
- eggs (if you may add it to the great list)
- Dairy Products
Eggs, milk, cheese, butter, all of it.
Eggs are not part of dairy products. Sorry.
every store I’ve been in puts them next to milk, followed by yogourt and cheese and above huge letters only say dairy, so maybe people assume based on that? Still odd to me that anyone would try to blanket term it with dairy
I always forget those are actually separate. I was taught in school that eggs were dairy and have never broken that stupid memory :/
What part of the cow do the eggs come from? 😉
The ovaries
Debating heading out to stock up on deodorant and other storable goods. Not that I want to buy American right now, just that historically domestic alternatives simply raise prices to match the tarrif product prices in an effort to profit take.
That’s a reasonable thing to do. Simply because it doesn’t go bad and you don’t know what’ll happen just now.
Costco and gas stations have been INSANE all weekend
A curated list of non-U.S.-based alternatives to popular services, focusing on privacy and global accessibility.
https://github.com/anitwek/alternatives-to-us
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Oh wonderful I wanted to switch to Deezer anyway. And I use Qwant and Brave already.
tacking on: https://european-alternatives.eu/
These are all digital services. Europe has strong data protection and privacy regulation. The US tech billionaires throwing in their lot with the Trump administration gives them plenty of leverage if push comes to shove.
I also love the NDP idea to target the techbro CEOs by putting a halt on critical minerals exports to the USA.
Tariff Item No. 1205.10.00
Rape from the US is now being taxed. I guess I’ll just stick with Canadian rape, keep it local.
One of the worse named plants of all time, thanks Latin.
And that’s why we renamed it “Canada oil” aka Canola
Canada Oil Low Acid, to be precise.
Well, part of the reason. “Canola” is really only the edible variant, which is now a bit more than fifty years old. Older cultivars contained large amounts of erucic acid, which apparently is neither tasty nor very good for you.
I don’t know whether anyone still grows the non-canola rapeseed cultivars as a cash crop.
Thanks, I could not understand what they were talking about 😂
spoiler
I thought this was about Loblaws “raping” their consumer’s wallets rather than getting it “raped” by Amazon or something.
