The B1 is by far a superior plane, on a level of wikipedia-page comparisons. Faster, newer, more space, better electronics, etc etc.
The problem is, the B-52 was originally built to last basically forever. It was made to go there, drop ALL the bombs, go home and do it again and again until you’re out of bombs or targets. It’s a literal flying brick and they will never break. The B-1 was… well, lets just say it’s intended mission was highly likely one-way, either because of the enemy blowing up the plane or the country of origin.
That different strategy means the B-52 is still very popular, because you can keep it running by a one-armed chimp with a bucket of grease and a hammer. It’s easy and basically free (as far as military planes go). The B-1 very much isn’t either, and the B-2 REALLY isn’t.
And the B-2 costs a BILLION dollars. With a B. You can literally buy a dozen B-1’s for the cost of a B-2, and have money left over to buy a really nice runway too. Nobody is going to use those for anything but the most special missions. If they still made B-52H’s, you could get an entire wing of them (120 planes) for the cost of a single B-2, and you’d have spare money for a nice set of airstrips, a control tower and a small town to support it.
So, the B-52 does it what it has to do, cheaply, easily, consistently and very well. That’s why it’s still around. I’m convinced the B-1 is only still around because building more B-52’s isn’t profitable to the MIC.
I’m not an expert but know enough to converse. As I understand it:
The B-1 should be more expensive to fly than the B-52 because of its variable wing geometry and the nature of its engine. But, we spent a boatload of cash to make the B-1 cheaper. We put soft constraints on the performance envelope in mission design then optimized the aircraft for it.
We didn’t update the B-52 because it was far more expensive: replace 8 engines designed in the 1950s with 2 or 4 modern engines, requiring redesign of wing, tail, and cockpit, as well as manufacturing of old parts due to scarcity. If we’d spent for engine modernization then it’d be cheaper to fly because that style of airfrane is almost always cheaper to fly than an airframe that can comfortably sustain Mach 1. It’d even be cheaper to fly for the B-1 mission because we don’t ask the B-1 to leverage the Mach 1 speed it was designed for.
It’s shit like this that helps my civilian self understand the meaning of FUBAR. A rare example of a well-run program is the C-130.
Wasn’t the quote for the b2 much more reasonable, but after Congress ordered the air force to reduce the number (in the hope of reducing the budget), the count reduced, but the price remained the same, making each aircraft more expensive?
I already didn’t include all the setup and R&D, “Just” the building cost and spares, etc etc. If you want to include the entire program, that’s more like 2.1 billion dollar per unit, but that seemed really unfair.
Of course, marginal costs also go down when scaling up, but not hugely.
The B-2 probably serves more as a deterrent. It tells would be enemy states that if we wanted to, we could bomb them anywhere. They can’t defend against it.
An enemy might think that they have a chance at defending themselves from B-52s, or at the very least, prepare. With a B-2, they could be anywhere at anytime, and no one would even know.
The B1 is by far a superior plane, on a level of wikipedia-page comparisons. Faster, newer, more space, better electronics, etc etc.
The problem is, the B-52 was originally built to last basically forever. It was made to go there, drop ALL the bombs, go home and do it again and again until you’re out of bombs or targets. It’s a literal flying brick and they will never break. The B-1 was… well, lets just say it’s intended mission was highly likely one-way, either because of the enemy blowing up the plane or the country of origin.
That different strategy means the B-52 is still very popular, because you can keep it running by a one-armed chimp with a bucket of grease and a hammer. It’s easy and basically free (as far as military planes go). The B-1 very much isn’t either, and the B-2 REALLY isn’t.
And the B-2 costs a BILLION dollars. With a B. You can literally buy a dozen B-1’s for the cost of a B-2, and have money left over to buy a really nice runway too. Nobody is going to use those for anything but the most special missions. If they still made B-52H’s, you could get an entire wing of them (120 planes) for the cost of a single B-2, and you’d have spare money for a nice set of airstrips, a control tower and a small town to support it.
So, the B-52 does it what it has to do, cheaply, easily, consistently and very well. That’s why it’s still around. I’m convinced the B-1 is only still around because building more B-52’s isn’t profitable to the MIC.
I went digging and what I found surprised me.
2010 numbers.
B-1 $63k / flight hour
B-52 $72k
B-2 $135k
JDAMs, dumb bombs made smart, are primarily the B-1 role. Higher tech munitions are primarily the B-52 role.
I think that when they want it done cheap they use the B-1.
Huh, that’s very surprising seeing what I read about maintenance and downtime of the B1.
I’m not an expert but know enough to converse. As I understand it:
The B-1 should be more expensive to fly than the B-52 because of its variable wing geometry and the nature of its engine. But, we spent a boatload of cash to make the B-1 cheaper. We put soft constraints on the performance envelope in mission design then optimized the aircraft for it.
We didn’t update the B-52 because it was far more expensive: replace 8 engines designed in the 1950s with 2 or 4 modern engines, requiring redesign of wing, tail, and cockpit, as well as manufacturing of old parts due to scarcity. If we’d spent for engine modernization then it’d be cheaper to fly because that style of airfrane is almost always cheaper to fly than an airframe that can comfortably sustain Mach 1. It’d even be cheaper to fly for the B-1 mission because we don’t ask the B-1 to leverage the Mach 1 speed it was designed for.
It’s shit like this that helps my civilian self understand the meaning of FUBAR. A rare example of a well-run program is the C-130.
Wasn’t the quote for the b2 much more reasonable, but after Congress ordered the air force to reduce the number (in the hope of reducing the budget), the count reduced, but the price remained the same, making each aircraft more expensive?
I already didn’t include all the setup and R&D, “Just” the building cost and spares, etc etc. If you want to include the entire program, that’s more like 2.1 billion dollar per unit, but that seemed really unfair.
Of course, marginal costs also go down when scaling up, but not hugely.
The B-2 probably serves more as a deterrent. It tells would be enemy states that if we wanted to, we could bomb them anywhere. They can’t defend against it.
An enemy might think that they have a chance at defending themselves from B-52s, or at the very least, prepare. With a B-2, they could be anywhere at anytime, and no one would even know.