Hello, so a few days ago now, a lot of Racism happened in FOSS and we were wondering what happened to those that were racist by defending the cultural appropriation which was pointed out, either directly or by ridicule.
Sadly the original post (and thus the comments) is gone, though we saved screenshots of all the offending people and posts.
We would like to know if anything was done about these people as we can see nothing in the modlog.
Thanks.
Since you chose to single me out, I feel obligated to respond.
You keep conflating language with culture, then go off about how using a language, or parts of one, supposedly negates the struggles of a community, while someone pointing out the conflation makes them into supporting someone else’s cultural appropriation.
Let me tell you now: no, it doesn’t, your insistence on that conflation does… which I feel is not within the spirit of beehaw’s rules.
Source: Polish raised in the Basque country, both places where quite recently using either the language or culture were punishable by death, both places just fine with other languages picking up some of theirs, and even some of their culture.
PS: guess I could have reported and blocked instead of posting the initial response, sometimes it’s hard to decide whether words or blocks are a harsher response.
You don’t get to decide what is or isn’t appropriation. Black people are constantly telling non-black people to stop using AAE. It is not slang. Also, even if you still believe that language on its own can’t be appropriated, AAE is deeply rooted in black folks history and is a huge part of their culture.
At the very least you should listen to marginalized people when they are telling you to stop, even if you disagree
I can listen, I can mark for non-engagement, I can block (or is that worse?)… even if I still think it’s not only nonsense, but also highly detrimental. Like, trying to keep a dialect segregated, because marginalized people want to… what, be more segregated? Seriously? Well, I can try, I still think that’s wrong for all the possible reasons.
From a cursory search, there seem to be some expressions claimed as AAE that weren’t a thing until the 2010s, colliding with non-AAE ones. That’s not going to end well.
PS: should there be a “marginalized” tag for people? I still think of people of color as just people, and the profile description tells me nothing, or rather the opposite.
https://oxfordre.com/linguistics/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780199384655.001.0001/acrefore-9780199384655-e-926
It feels like you are listening but not understanding. Think of AAE as a closed practice. You can learn about, you can view it from the outside, but it is not yours to use as you please. It is about solidarity, not segregation. A fine line, but one that has been set by the people who’s culture it is
I don’t think so, and it is not just black folks on Lemmy asking people outside the culture not to use AAE. I know no culture is a monolith, but a majority have been saying that for a long time.
This has some real “I don’t see color” vibes. I get the sentiment, you try not to discriminate, but that also ignores black folk’s lived experiences.
Help me understand this. It makes no sense to me. I don’t even know where to begin thinking about it in terms that I can understand.
Sure. Closed practice is usually in reference to religious practices. Voodoo/Hoodoo are the 2 most commonly referenced closed practices, but a lot of Native Americans have closed practices as well. It basically means unless you are part of that culture, it is not for you and you should not attempt to practice. You miss a lot of the cultural significance and often cause damage to the practice (using white sage for cleansing rituals is a great example). They are often appropriated and misrepresented as evil.
AAE, while not religious in nature, has a lot of cultural reference and significance. It is often misrepresented and appropriated without regards to the cultural origin.
Thanks for explaining further. This is not something I’ve ever thought about so I’m going to take time to process it.
Of course, happy to help