• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    12 days ago

    You are blaming someone who had absolutely no power to affect the outcome of the election, while absolving the dems, who knowingly decided to do all those policies, knowing they would decrease turnout.

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      10 days ago

      Voters are tbe only people who has power to affect tbe outcome of election, if democracy is happening anyway. Moreover they have an obligation as citizens and part of communities to find the best possible outcome of an election and put their voice towards that. A political party has zero obligations other than to fulfil whatever internal policy they have, and it’s an entity that voters shape by voting and political activistm in general.
      When voters vote for the worst outcome for them, it’s their doing and their fault, and nobody else is to blame.

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          10 days ago

          Quppy oneliners aren’t substitutes for engagement. I learned nothing from you because you’re saying nothing

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            10 days ago

            I explained to you why the democrats lose elections. Instead you cover your ears and go “no it’s the voters fault that unpopular policy decreases turnout”. In every future election, when democrats try to be republican-lite, and the base is telling them “this is massively unpopular”, you will continue to try to silence the left and help the democrats maintain the delusion they can win by being republicans.

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              6 days ago

              The fuck you didn’t. You listed a list of grievances you hold, showed that you know jack shit about how the government works or what was or wasn’t done over years and why, and huffily proclamed, without zero evidence backing you up, that you alone hold the knowledge of what american people want and declared yourself an ambassador of the left.

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                6 days ago

                Yes, I am the only one who holds the secret knowledge that… checks notes democratic voters don’t like republican policies.

                I don’t need to cite anything because this is so painfully obvious.

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                  3 days ago

                  Democratic voters demonstrably want something lukewarm liberal-centre. We know that because of the primaries numbers as a whole, and a bunch of smaller elections.
                  Loud people on social media want all sorts of things but they remain on social media, the fact that is demonstrated time and time again.
                  And the fact that this is not obvious to everyone is the real pain here. The lain we all will be feeling for the next unknown number of years.

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                    3 days ago

                    The median voter is a myth. There is no democratic voter who will vote for complicated, means-tested subsidies for private insurance, but will refuse to vote for free healthcare.

                    The voters who vote for luke-warm dems will vote for who they’re told to vote for.